I can live with it.....on my laptop at least. As my laptops a HP/Compaq pre-vista -but coulda had it new- machine, with some non-factory tweeks. I decided to
grab a retail copy of Win7 pro (tax refund at work) and squeeze it in there. Not something straightforward as some may like. For the widely trumpeted "No
XP upgrade for you!" is true, and using the on-disc migration tool is a challenge when it keeps on crashing due to ffdshow errors and a flaky dvd-r drive.
I ended up putting the entire directory for the tool onto a thumbdrive and ran it from there - after moving offending files onto the NAS. Four...five migration
attempt failures, file movement and nearly nine hours later, the actual installation was damn smooth. Under half-hour for install of basic OS functions and few
minutes and 2 reboots for ready-to-go. Also within that time I'd installed Firefox & iTunes, so they were running after 1 reboot (window update
requested). The other reboot, the standard: changed workgroup/domain name must reboot one.
Of cause at some point I'll have go through the process again as my laptops currently a partition-limited dual-booter, but that can wait till after I get
used to win7 more and begin contemplating putting it on me main desktop. Probably after I get a technet product key for ultimate.
--Rod.H
Ayep, WG, that comic pretty much covers it. Aside from the home premium/professtional thing. I should note that I wrote all a that around 4
'ohmyfrickingods' in the morning.
I still have to get used to my laptops new behavours and whatnot. Probably be easier to fit a new HD and start from semi-scratch.
--Rod.H
I've been using Win7 Ultimate for about a month now, and I have to say I'm quite pleased with it overall. I have a couple "that's not the way
I did it in Win2K" issues, and I think the security architecture errs a bit too much on the side of paranoia, but in general I think it's rather well
done. I rarely see any indication that the OS is bigger/more processor-intensive than Win2K, which is the main thing I was worrying about when I made the
switch.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
Going from XP->Vista->7, let me just say it was a *lot* better than I was expecting.
*Thread voodoo*
As the hour has come for me to gobble up another Desktop (and the free 7 upgrade is no longer valid) I assume the consensus is to go with the 7 yeah?
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The Master said: "It is all in vain! I have never yet seen a man who can perceive his own faults and bring the charge home against himself."
>Analects: Book V, Chaper XXVI
If you don't want to go with something non-Microsoft (which I, personally, would of course recommend doing), then yes, Windows 7 is where it's at these
days. XP is still usable, but not really purchasable anymore for the most part AFAIK, and won't be supported even in security updates for much longer;
Vista has essentially no advantages over 7 that I know of. (In point of fact, if you go by version numbers, 7 bears something more like the relationship of
Win98 SE to Win98 than the relationship of e.g. XP to Win98 or Vista to XP.)
The Wanderer has the right of it. Windows 7 is, without a doubt, a version of Vista that has been thoroughly worked over. Though given how much grief some
people would have over it I would say that it compares more like Windows 95 to Windows 98SE - still the same operating system at its core, but vastly improved.
Another way of looking at it would be as though they went all the way back to
Longhorn and took it
from there, going in a direction much like Vista, but doing it right.
Windows 7 is what Vista would and should have been, if they had delayed releasing something from 2005 to 2007/8.
And I would *never* recommend a non-MS OS if you plan on doing any gaming.
Or work with anything but the most basic office apps.
Or even some of the more common office apps.
Or do anything but browse the web and read email. And even some of that goes haywire on non-MS.
But that's a rather old argument between me and the anti-MS crowd.
Quote:But that's a rather old argument between me and the anti-MS crowd.
the problem is, the Anti-MS crowd doesn't have anything to be _for_.
Every Windows I've used has been a festering turd, not suitable for any productive use.
Every _other_ OS I've used.. has been worse. (Except OS/2 - but that may be the Golden Haze of Memory)
"No can brain today. Want cheezeburger."
From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5579457/1/NGE_Nobody_Dies
My memories of OS/2 are of something inconvenient and awkward - though, being fair, I was a kid at the time. Still, I suspect it's your memory.
===========
===============================================
"V, did you do something foolish?"
"Yes, and it was glorious."
OS/2 was great. Until MS started making OSes OS/2 couldn't be compatible with.
Oh, I have something to be for - I'm for Linux, specifically Debian. I've been using it exclusively (barring the requirements of work) for most of a
decade, and I've never for a moment regretted the switch.
Even for me it requires some tweaking to get the UI and so forth way I want it, though, and there's very little likelihood that the way I like it is going
to be suitable for most other people. (Which in turn is probably why it takes tweaking to get the way I like - they try to make the defaults more suited for
what they expect most people to prefer.) I have for some time been convinced that it would be 100% possible to create a Linux-based system which would serve
perfectly and seamlessly for everything your typical Windows user would expect, just with a different "skin" - but I've not yet had anything like
the time to sit down and try to spin one up.
I do understand that you probably have reasons why you don't consider Linux acceptable - you've listed a few candidates, and while I don't see how
some of them apply, it's possible that I just haven't encountered the situations that prompted you to mention them. I'm not interested in trying to
get into an argument about it at the moment, however; I just wanted to make my position (at least somewhat) clear.
Quote: jpub wrote:
Windows 7 is what Vista would and should have been, if they had delayed releasing something from 2005 to 2007/8.
Deja vu. Who else has been computer-using long enough to remember, first hand, people saying "Windows 98 is what Win95 would have been if
they'd delayed long enough to fix the bugs"?
Personal observation/commentary below!
For those who weren't around or paying attention to the publicly observable part of the story in 1994-95, Win95 was supposed to have come out early/mid
1994, but was delayed again and again while they tried to fix it, until marketing sprung it on the world on the Fall (October?) of 1995 (couldn't have
Win95 come out in 1996). When Win98 came out, my group of friends agreed that Win98 was Win95 with the bugs fixed. Anyone remember if Win95 was the one that
completely crashed and burned when Bill Gates was demo-ing it at some industry conference or other?
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Jeanne Hedge
www.jhedge.com
"Believe me, if I have to go the rest of my life without companionship, knowing myself won't be a problem."
-- Gabrielle of Potadeia
I'll just be over here, grateful that my XP machines lasted long enough that I can hop/skip/jump over Vista into an OS that appears to be, if anything, no
more buggy than any other piece of electronics with more complexity than a pocket calculator.
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"Oh, silver blade, forged in the depths of the beyond. Heed my summons and purge those who stand in my way. Lay
waste."
Quote: Jeanne Hedge wrote:
Anyone remember if Win95 was the one that completely crashed and burned when Bill Gates was demo-ing it at some industry conference or other?
I believe you're right.
My
Unitarian Jihad Name is:
Brother Atom Bomb of Courteous Debate.
Get yours.
I've been writing a bit.
Of course, one of the things about Vista which initially got a lot of complaints was driver support, or lack thereof. And for anything which relies on
third-party drivers which don't get recompiled along with the rest of the OS - i.e., pretty much anything but Linux - there *is* inevitably going to be a
lag between the release of the OS and the release, by those third parties, of updated-to-be-compatible drivers... which means that if Vista had been delayed,
and all of the fixes which went into Win7 had been made in the interim (which itself is somewhat unlikely, as some of them were based on feedback received
about Vista), it still would have had some of the same early problems that Vista had.
Add in how much of the difference is just a matter of people - including, particularly, software vendors - having gotten more comfortable with some of the
concepts and rules introduced in Vista, and therefore having less problem with them in Win7, and I'm not sure how valid the "why didn't they do it
this way to begin with?" actually is...
Wanderer - a large part of the driver issues was the fact that most vendors were *convinced* (foolishly, in hindsight) that MS wouldn't release Vista as it
was, and that they had at least a year of more time to develop them.
Also, unlike with XP, MS didn't harrass the vendors nearly as much for Vista support.
Concur with Bluemage, I remember seeing a video of that just before I enlisted. Heh-heh-heh. Loved how everyone cheered.
ETA: Drat! It was Windows 98. But anyhow, here it is.
Enjoy!
I was vaguely interested in windows media center when I saw it demoed on vista. I am however impressed by the win7 version, streaming live tv from me laptop to
me 360 and the associated whatnot.
Now all I need is a way to do wifi site surveys and play region locked DVDs.
--Rod.H
I got Windows 7 all over my fingers this weekend, setting up a 3 machine network with one printer and a Linksys WRT160N, and 2 legacy XP terminals...
_wow_.
I'm running down a connection that can get me 7 Pro licenses for 50 bux, I'm gonna pick three or so up.
"No can brain today. Want cheezeburger."
From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5579457/1/NGE_Nobody_Dies
You want to know how badly Ballmer hammered developers over the whole Vista issue? Try a music video someone did of his appearances blaming developers for their not providing what he wanted.
Check this out
Oh, and Win/98? For it's time, it was a gorgeous piece of work. I held off transferring to XP for about a year and a half because it was a lot more stable and safe to use.
But the big killer for the Win/95-98 series was that it wasn't a true 32 bit OS, despite advertising it was. It was really a 2 bit application multiplexed sixteen times.
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Those who fear the darkness have never seen what the light can do.
I thought they sold family packs (3 license bundles) for win7
edit: oh never mind. family pack is home premium only, not pro (at least according to amazon).
-Terry
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"so listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today"
TF2: Spy
Quote: Wiredgeek wrote:
I'm running down a connection that can get me 7 Pro licenses for 50 bux, I'm gonna pick three or so up.
Is there any chance your connection would like some more business? I do believe my Father would love to speak with him. He works for Johns
Hopkins as a senior printed circuit board designer... some of his work is going to the outter system. Sol system that is. Oh, and I have a large family, too,
and he likes to play fair with the licenses, IYKWIM.
It's worse than you think. It's Win 7 Home Premium UPGRADE! Which for ya Benjamin & Grant isn't too bad a deal for a basic MS OS for 3 PCs, presuming you're starting the upgrade process from Vista, for as I mentioned earlier upgrading XP into 7's a no joy situation.
Then there's the fact that if you want to use the XP compat mode and business stuff you'll need to drop some more dead presidents on the Upgrade Anytime thing so you can use those features.....and now I'm just reminded of a potential method for getting me wifi survey & region-locked DVDs to work.
--Rod.H
"And of cause XP compat mode just happens to be a separate download!"