I did, at like 10 at night. Big mistake... first of course being the sheer length of the movie.
Worst? its 2am here on the west coast and now I cant bloody sleep cause I keep thinking about it. Not just about the comparisons between the graphic novel (which my nephew got me for christmas... last year? or the year before? the holidays after it was in theatres, anyway) but more than a few of the underlying themes there.
about my only comment at this stage as I'm pondering, and not sleeping is that the sex scene could totally have been implied and not shown on screen. Not that doing so would have saved it from an R rating with all the other language and elements in the film.
the other? its gonna be a looooooong oh dark hundreds. And an even longer day to follow.
Better go make myself some coffee...
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by
Echo's Children
Yeah, it'll do that to most people. The Watchmen is pretty heavy stuff. Personally, though, I really don't care for it. Brings to mind things I'd really rather not dwell on.
blackaeronaut Wrote:Yeah, it'll do that to most people. The Watchmen is pretty heavy stuff. Personally, though, I really don't care for it. Brings to mind things I'd really rather not dwell on.
I do believe that was part of the point of it. It took a long, hard look at things that comics before that point hadn't dwelled upon regarding the realism of their worlds.
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"You know how parents tell you everything's going to fine, but you know they're lying to make you feel better? Everything's going to be fine." - The Doctor
And now they can't seem to let it go, either.
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''
-- James Nicoll
JFerio Wrote:I do believe that was part of the point of it. It took a long, hard look at things that comics before that point hadn't dwelled upon regarding the realism of their worlds.
Thats part of what deconstruction really means, IMO. Break a story down to its base components and take a hard look at all of them.
On the subject of book vs movie... there is one big hole in the 'reconstructed plot' of Veidt... Framing Manhattan as the villian requires Manhattan to maintain a presence of some sort so that people continue to fear him/his works in order to remain banded together against him. In this reguard the book's mysterious extradimensional entities worked better IMO
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by
Echo's Children
Star Ranger4 Wrote:JFerio Wrote:I do believe that was part of the point of it. It took a long, hard look at things that comics before that point hadn't dwelled upon regarding the realism of their worlds.
Thats part of what deconstruction really means, IMO. Break a story down to its base components and take a hard look at all of them.
On the subject of book vs movie... there is one big hole in the 'reconstructed plot' of Veidt... Framing Manhattan as the villian requires Manhattan to maintain a presence of some sort so that people continue to fear him/his works in order to remain banded together against him. In this reguard the book's mysterious extradimensional entities worked better IMO
Another flaw, as pointed out by a fic based on the movie, is that Veidt's plan involved hitting millions of people with the same type of energy that created Dr. Manhattan in the first place.
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"Anyone can be a winner if their definition of victory is flexible enough." - The DM of the Rings XXXV
I remember reading a fanfic that centered around the fact that a percentage of those people returned just as Dr Manhattan did.
Can't seem to remember the name thought.
-Terry
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"so listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today"
TF2: Spy
sweno Wrote:I remember reading a fanfic that centered around the fact that a percentage of those people returned just as Dr Manhattan did.
Can't seem to remember the name thought.
You mean the one I wrote on this very forum? ^.^
--Sam
"I'm going to throw a chimney at them."
I'm not sure I agree with that, now that I think even more about it. Certainly at the core of Veidt's plan was using the reactor that Manhatten helped create, but we dont actually know that said reactor(s) did that whole 'Subtracting of Intrinsic fields' thing. The way they blew up released the sort of energy Manhattan is known for, and I personally believe that what the powers that be believed is that Doc' ported to those cities and basicly 'detonated' himself. Hence their coming together to find a defense against that sort of thing.
As to the IFS, you only actually SEE Veidt use it twice. First to dispose of the dead scientists, and then on John.
But as Lurker notes, if it did the whole Intrinsic field thing, I'd agree with his take as put forward in the linked story.
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by
Echo's Children
Just as a note, the good Doctor was 'created' via an Intrinsic Field Generator. Veidt used an Intrinsic Field Subtractor. So you might get something like Mr Bronx or something anti-doctor manhattan. If you get anything at all.
I think the idea was to make some sort of bomb or generator overload for an explosive result with out actually subjecting them to the field in ways that might have side-effects. Do not examine this too closely
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The Master said: "It is all in vain! I have never yet seen a man who can perceive his own faults and bring the charge home against himself."
>Analects: Book V, Chaper XXVI
nope. Its a field subtractor. Says so both in the book, and if you look close at the clock during the Accident scene
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by
Echo's Children
My... that would make for a rather interesting world now, wouldn't it? All the little Dr. Manhattens, either trying to do good or just running amuck... Can you imagine the lynch mobs?
Lynch mobs? How would you lynch someone who had the powers, even in watered-down form, of Dr. Manhattan, if you didn't have similar powers yourself? It'd be like Granny Weatherwax said when told the Omnian Church had burned witches:
Quote:"They never burned witches," said Granny. "Probably they burned some old ladies who spoke up or couldn't run away. I wouldn't look for witches bein' burned," she added, shifting position. "I might look for witches doin' the burning, though. We ain't all nice."
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Big Brother is watching
you. And
damn, you are so bloody
BORING.