This post is for two things - to help me keep track of what I think I've done with the forum design, and to let you know what I think I've done with the forum design.
Given web browser issues and certain aspects of the design of Yuku, it's possible something I think I've fixed may not be entirely fixed. So, let me know if there's something here that isn't working under some circumstance. And, of course, let me know if you see a problem that isn't on the list at all.
DONE
*Style switcher - Because options are nice. It makes one wonder why this isn't standard equipment for all boards. This requires javascript to work, so the one I've modified to be a little easier on people without javascript is the default skin. Unless otherwise noted, anything listed below should apply to all skins. There's a copy of the original skin there with the various javascript things, as well as a few things copied from the skins library to help tide people over. The style switcher is at the bottom of the page (though it can be moved, if anyone thinks a different location would be better), and may require a hard reload before it starts working. (At least, it did for me.)
*Hide Kudos - Not needed here.
*Remove that border on the signature - I thought I was the only one getting worked up about that, but I'm not complaining about having my desires endorsed.
*Added bar between post subject and post body - Once I started looking at older posts that had more post subjects, it was obviously not quite right.
*'No javascript skin' - Default skin has the navigation box set to not display. Switching to any other skin should make it work again. If anyone cares. Same thing for the forum-jump box at the bottom of the page (which really stretches out the page for no-javascript users), social links (does anyone even care?), and the extra post tools (mostly of limited utility, and they really stretch out the page).
*Quotes - Added a border to blockquote tags. Different ways of doing a quote will still look different because of the different html Yuku produces for them, but this will at least set them all off a bit from surrounding text. The ezboard professional style does something a bit odd to some, but I'm not quite sure why at the moment.
IN PROGRESS
*Skin design - That SJGames color scheme people seem to like, and getting the default skin set up to look more like the old forums, because *I* liked it.
NOT DONE
*Quick reply - I don't like it, CattyNebulart doesn't like it, but until Bob no longer needs it, it's here to stay.
KNOWN ISSUES
*Post subject/post body seperator doesn't always display - Behavior is inconsistent and might be due to browser hiccups.
*Borders on some tables appear and disappear - Almost certainly due to browser hiccups, but awfully weird nonetheless. I haven't done anythign to the css code for the tables...
Two things:
1, let me know when you're ready to implement the new colors, and I'll ditch the green banner up at the top of the pages. Unless you can do that
yourself now?
2. I may no longer need that edit box after tonight -- I never tried the advice I gave Rob, and I might as well do it when I get home.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
Any way to put back in the feature that shows unveiwed posts since last visit? Or am I just overlooking it?
Quote:1, let me know when you're ready to implement the new colors, and I'll ditch the green banner up at the top of the pages. Unless you can do that yourself now?
I don't know if I can or not. I can't even *find* where that's supposed to go. o.O
It does however look like, thanks to the dubious miracle of CSS, that different banners for different themes should be possible. So, since I'm nostalgic about weird things, we could keep that banner on themes it doesn't look totally wrong on, and do something else on others.
Edit: Okay, I found where it goes. I'll look into that other part now. (Well, probably later. '.' )
Quote:Any way to put back in the feature that shows unveiwed posts since last visit? Or am I just overlooking it?
I haven't touched it, or at least I don't think I have. Bob, you have any ideas?
Also, for my own part I've noticed that the borders on certain tables appear and disappear for no apparent reason. Anyone else run into this? (I didn't think I'd done anything to them either. o.O )
-Morgan.
drogan niteflier Wrote:Any way to put back in the feature that shows unveiwed posts since last visit? Or am I just overlooking it?
Chiming in with a second vote on this. Not sure if I'm thinking about the same thing that Drogan is.
My current pet peeve is the lack of 'new post' identification in the thread. I can see which Forums have updated threads. I can see which threads have new posts. But once viewing the thread I can't see which posts are new.
-Terry
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"so listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today"
TF2: Spy
That sounds like it could have something to do with the problem Bob's already been complaining to yuku support about, with unread post information not
updating...
I still can't find any board settings relating to it.
And here's another one that I don't think I can do anything about - in the old forums, you'd get an automatic something in the title (Re: this or
that). Here, that doesn't seem to be the case...
-Morgan.
I also noticed a strange case where I'd replied to something in the yuku skins forum, and despite several page refreshes, the post before mine still
appears as the last post...
-Morgan.
Quick thought, Morgan...
The banner up top -- what little I know of CSS and XHTML suggests that we might be able to replace it completely with code, and make it fit both geometrically
and color-wise whatever skin people chose. Am I mistaken, or is that possible?
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
Well, it's not like it's anything complicated, so probably yes. Put the text in a custom header with some appropriate class tags, then just put the
formatting tags that would change in the skin css files.
I don't think it's enough of an eyesore to be a major priority though.
(The default avatar, on the other hand, is starting to seriously get on my nerves, and make me want to find that post that told how to replace it with
something else...)
-Morgan.
Quote:I don't think it's enough of an eyesore to be a major priority though.
No, not a major priority. But when everything else is done, I wouldn't mind clearing it away.
Quote:(The default avatar, on the other hand, is starting to seriously get on my nerves, and make me want to find that post that told how to replace it with something else...)
By all means, do so.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
I thought the board was running a bit slow tonight, but that maybe it was just me.
Well, it might still be those things, but it seems that ezboard.com no longer wishes to serve the images we were using for threads with new posts... or,
apparently, anything else.
I've had no luck so far finding where on yuku's servers those images might be found, so for the moment I've removed those images from the settings.
Which leaves us with no images for some things, but at least it's no images without it continuing to ask ezboard.com for something it doesn't want to
give out.
I'll be posting to the yuku customization forums to see if I can find where the new home for those images is, if I can't find any leads soon.
-Morgan.
Thanks. I was just about to do it myself upon noticing their absence, but no use duplicating effort... plus, you have a better idea what's going on than I
do, given that you did up the css...
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
Bob, do you remember what the name of the skin you used on ezboard was? It might help track down the images. (From the urls, I'm guessing "Biz" or "Business" was involved, but I'm not sure. But I'm sure it's not the same as the "Professional" ones. Professional has a folder image for threads with new posts, and I remember ours looking like a sheet of paper. I can't really remember what the others looked like. ^_^;;; )
On a matter of old business...
sweno Wrote:Chiming in with a second vote on this. Not sure if I'm thinking about the same thing that Drogan is.
My current pet peeve is the lack of 'new post' identification in the thread. I can see which Forums have updated threads. I can see which threads have new posts. But once viewing the thread I can't see which posts are new.
... And I wasn't entirely sure what it meant, but while looking for information on the current problem, I found
this post, which sounds to me like it's describing how to do that.
I don't really care one way or the other, but if anyone still wants this, how should it be done? (I'm personally thinking the "new topic icon in the subject line" approach, but someone who cares might have a better idea. '.' )
Also, I'd forgotten entirely about the default avatar thing, since so many people had uploaded avatars. Setting about doing that now. Should anyone want to continue being a blank outline, there's
http://drunkardswalkforums.yuku.com/com ... avatar.gif to use. (Yes, "missinng". o.O )
-Morgan.
Icon on the Topic line is the way to go with this, its what all the other Yuku boards that have it use.
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by
Echo's Children
Well, the images on ezboard.com are back, so I've put them back. What happened once could happen again though, so I'll watch to see if there's a
home on yuku.com for them. (Also saved local copies just in case.)
Added the new reply icon thing, despite the instructions that page gives for the easy way seeming to actually be wrong. o.O
While I was at it, I noticed we have an image for "hot topic with no new posts", but none for "hot topic with new posts". When one does
have new posts, it uses the regular "topic with new posts" images, and then goes back to the "hot topic with no new posts" image. But is
there any real advantage to having the hot topic icon at all? It's generally pretty obvious when a thread is long, it has all those pages there...
-Morgan.
Well, the Hot Topic Icon is a magnet for the Goth and poseur icons, especially since theiy wouldn't be caught dead in JCPenney Icon......
*grin*
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''
-- James Nicoll
Okay, by the time I finally got back to the board to read this thread, things seem to have at least temporarily settled out. Morgan, i don't remember what
the original skin was. I did notice, btw, that the "thumbtack" icon was still visible while everything else was gone, so I was going to suggest
following that back to wherever it lived and seeing if the other icons were stil there. Local copies are a good idea. Hot topic icon(s) -- eh, I can take or
leave them.
One thing I never knew before which I learned from this -- the "new messages" icons are live links to the end of the thread. (But, sadly, not to the
first new post.)
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
The thumbtack icon (and the hot topic icon for that matter) both point to yuku.com urls. How that happened I don't know, since I didn't touch them and
I'm under the impression you didn't either. Well, in any case, there's a way I might be able to get these images loading from yuku.com too.
We'll see.
And that's the question, should we take or leave them? I suppose I could just remove them and see if anyone complained... '.'
-Morgan.
Morganni Wrote:and I'm under the impression you didn't either.
Nope, not me. I hadn't clue one about CSS until August, and by that point the boards had clearly been in the "not broke, don't fix" category for several months.
Quote:should we take or leave them?
Um. I dropped a pointer somewhere. Which them are "them"?
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
The icons, I assume.... At least the hot topics vs new posts one?
Keep them, even if you ahve to save them local Morgani.
Tis the season that the Ranger fears change without good reason...
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by
Echo's Children
The images aren't set in css anyway. '.'
... Well. Not *this* particular set of images at least.
And yes, the hot topic icons. What's the point of having a special icon for topics that have a lot of posts?
-Morgan. Or to put it another way, Reason: It's pointless visual noise?
Quote:And yes, the hot topic icons. What's the point of having a special icon for topics that have a lot of posts?
-Morgan. Or to put it another way, Reason: It's pointless visual noise?
Eye candy. The kids like it. Most of the regulars here, though, aren't kids any more. (We may be immature at times, but we're supposedly grown-ups...)
I can't see the point to that icon, either...
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
Quote: Morganni wrote:
And yes, the hot topic icons. What's the point of having a special icon for topics that have a lot of posts?
Its a hold over from the bad old days when there were still significant numbers of people not only using Dialup, but frequently had modems slower than 56k.
Its supposed to indicate a thread where there has been a lot of new posts since your last visit, so if you have a slower modem you'd be aware that it could
take a while to load.
other than that, I say its not broke, so why fix it?
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by
Echo's Children
Agreed. I mean, if it's really an issue, I can completely shut off the hot topic icons from the board control panel.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
It's not so much it's an issue as, is there any *point* to it? I mean, if there was a second special icon for hot topics *with* new posts, it'd be
one thing. But since there isn't...
Well, I don't know. Since the one we have only appears if there *aren't* new posts, I just don't see any purpose in it.
Thus my suggestion of just removing it and seeing if anyone complains. '.'
-Morgan, should update the first post. '.' But probably will be lazy and not do it tonight...