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This is a becoming to be a common tactic by GOP state legislatures in the South for such issues like higher minimum wage, transgender and plastic bags banning. And these are governments that are crying against federal government prempting them. Yet, these folks have no problem doing it to municipalities. Same thing happened in Birmingham before I left. One community voted to raise the minimum wage. You should had seen how fast Montgomery slapped them down.
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I don't completely understand your government system, so I have to ask a few questions.

Do the municipalities have any legal standing that are not derived from the states' legal standing?

Do municipalities have any powers that are not devolved to them by the states? (I know the states have powers that are not devolved to them by your federal government, thus the states have some rights and responsibilities of their own.)

Does any level of government have a legal mechanism that allows them to sidestep Constitutional rights? (It's a serious question; I'm aware of one democratic first-world nation where the answer to this question is "yes".)

Has anyone ever successfully argued that a minimum wage is required for the inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Does the wording in Amendment XIX include transgender rights?

And why does anyone outside of the plastics industry care whether a particular municipality does or does not ban plastic bags? Isn't this like a particular municipality banning or not banning spray cans with CFC propellants - a statement of principles, but not particularly important to the environment one way or the other?
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Rob Kelk
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them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
Municipal law may not counter point state or federal law, state law may not counter point federal law, that is the long and short of standing precedent.

this is why the transport and sale of Marijuana is technically still illegal within the state of Colorado, even though the state of Colorado has legalized it. Federal Law trumps state.

What the current argument is about is the city passed a law stating, in short, that you used the bathroom of the gender that you identified as, and the state said, "No, you use the one between your legs, and just to make sure you understand we will re-pass a law that is already on the books stating this."

Now people are making a big stink because of this and because of all the ability to abuse the law the way the city had it i have to back the state. I don't care what you identify as, if you have some kind of genitalia that hangs down between your legs, use the men's, if its internal, (or been surgically snipped and changed) use the woman's. It will keep the number of pervs sneaking into a woman's room and pulling hanky panky down because they can't claim, "We'll i identify as female," (even if i like to look at women's bits.
 
"Municipal law may not counter point state or federal law, state law may
not counter point federal law, that is the long and short of standing
precedent."
And that what is happening in states like Alabama. Cities like Birmingham raise their local minimum wage and the state strips them if their authority to do so. And yet they decry federal overreach in issues like gay marriage. Can you spell hypocrisy? Especially it's the GOP mantra of small government.
"Do municipalities have any powers that are not devolved to them by the
states? (I know the states have powers that are not devolved to them by
your federal government, thus the states have some rights and
responsibilities of their own." The short answer is no.
"Does any level of government have a legal mechanism that allows them to
sidestep Constitutional rights? (It's a serious question; I'm aware of
one democratic first-world nation where the answer to this question is
"yes".)" The short answer is no. The nullification doctrine went down with the Confederacy in 1865. But the GOP seems to have forgotten that lesson. Lincoln would actually be revolted by the GOP had come to.
"Has anyone ever successfully argued that a minimum wage is required for
the inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?" You should had said an adequate minimum wage. But now you're talking socialism, Rob. That's what the folks down South would have said.
"Does the wording in Amendment XIX include transgender rights?" Good question. Someone will take it up to the Supreme Court eventually.
"And why does anyone outside of the plastics industry care whether a
particular municipality does or does not ban plastic bags? Isn't this
like a particular municipality banning or not banning spray cans with
CFC propellants - a statement of principles, but not particularly
important to the environment one way or the other? * Makes the universal sign for baksheesh* Behold the power of special interests in places where what anti-corruption laws in the books are not enforced. By both parties.
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Quote:robkelk wrote:
Do the municipalities have any legal standing that are not derived from the states' legal standing?

No. A state may choose not to take the power to override a municipality's laws, but I'm not aware of any that do so.

Quote:Do municipalities have any powers that are not devolved to them by the states? (I know the states have powers that are not devolved to them by your federal government, thus the states have some rights and responsibilities of their own.)

No. This relationship is a remnant of the early years after the Revolutionary War when the US was a confederation of sovereign states.

Quote:Does any level of government have a legal mechanism that allows them to sidestep Constitutional rights? (It's a serious question; I'm aware of one democratic first-world nation where the answer to this question is "yes".)

Sort of. There's a mechanism in the Constitution to amend it, and this has been done to infringe on people's rights before--this was the mechanism through which alcohol prohibition was enacted (and later repealed). That was pretty much the last gasp of relevance for the Constitution, though.

The US Supreme Court has given itself the power to "interpret" the Constitution, which in practice means making excuses for ignoring it completely. It's not actually legal according to the Constitution--rather, it's replaced the Constitution with authoritarianism. The government basically says, "it's legal to sidestep Constitutional rights because we say its legal."

Quote:Has anyone ever successfully argued that a minimum wage is required for the inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

What do you mean by "successfully argued?" Nobody would use it in a legal arguement, because the Declaration of Independence isn't part of US law. I don't recall ever hearing a modern US politician use those words in a political speech, and in fact modern politicians don't seem too interested in reminding people of what it says. Not surprising, since the modern US government is vastly more oppressive than King George III ever dreamed of being.

Minimum wage laws originally came into being by people making pretty much the opposite arguement, though. The idea was that they would lead to unemployment among people who were considered undesirable, such as black people, and unemployed people would then reproduce less than employed (and white) people. This was during the days of the Eugenics movement, which was widespread in the US 100 years ago and is better known today for forced sterilization of minorities and poor people.

Quote:Does the wording in Amendment XIX include transgender rights?

No, it doesn't actually have anything to do with them. Here's the full text of the amendment:

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

It was passed to give women the right to vote throughout the country.

Quote:And why does anyone outside of the plastics industry care whether a particular municipality does or does not ban plastic bags? Isn't this like a particular municipality banning or not banning spray cans with CFC propellants - a statement of principles, but not particularly important to the environment one way or the other?

There are plenty of people living in those municipalities who don't like being inconvenienced by someone else imposing their religious beliefs at the point of a gun. In theory religious laws are supposed to be prohibited by the US Constitution, but in practice they're ubiquitous--see also the "War on Drugs."
Oh...

So, you don't have Constitutional guarantees of equality, then?
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
Quote:robkelk wrote:
Oh...

So, you don't have Constitutional guarantees of equality, then?
Yes, we do. It's called the Bill of Rights. Of course, putting it into practice is a different matter.
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It's kind of funny, we had an amendment sitting around to hopefully pass in the 70s and 80s, the "Equal Rights Amendment" being pushed by feminists, egalitarians... but they don't support it *now* because they've realized they've got a pretty sweet deal, since only men have to register for the draft in order to get practically any benefits of citizenship at all.
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