I didn't want to keep bumping the thread, but since the topic won't go away...
Bob Schroeck Wrote:And after reading that link, may I say "Congratulations"? All I ever did along those lines in college was post announcements for the Campus Crusade for Cthulhu in the Daily Princetonian...
I'd like to note that we Orwellians were not affiliated with the
Campus Crusade for Chaos and Confusion. Nope, no connection whatsoever.
blackaeronaut Wrote:If I had the time or the inclination I'd go on the inside as a poison little pill, but I don't know how I'd make a change working just on the inside of Fast Eddie's 'Lawful Evil'.
Meh, chaotic neutral is more fun, because you can just do what you feel like doing. I'm still surprised I can get away with
edits like this one. The fact that it's remained unchallenged makes me wonder about the new world order over there.
I've been doing less and less over there, and been more productive at writing as a result. But I still have some things to learn about plots and settings from the site, so I'm not ready to abandon it completely.
TVT email Wrote:Page deletions are getting ridiculous, you can get called a troll for protesting the littlest things (and you have no idea how much you have to kiss up to the moderators to get away with even a little protest), there is an Orwellian order out now that if trope page goes down, it (and any references) did not exist, they never existed.
Also, most of the P5 is filled with gleeful deletionists who practicality brag about their newfound power to strike down stuff they don't like, and they have an insane bias of favoring Western works over Japanese works, with some pretty tasteless, tawdry Western works getting immediate safe harbor while banning pages on anime licensed in the US they feel is pedo pandering left and right.
Wait, you're allowed to protest? I didn't know. Virtually all of the threads in the P5 forum say "P5 Only", which I can only assume means I'll get a ban if I post in there. No, really -- what other consquences would there be?
There's really a strong case of what tropers would call ValuesDissonance between Japanese and Western works. It turns out that teenagers have sex with each other. It's not pedophilia, it's a representation of real life. Still, I'm wondering how long until the Evangelion page gets deleted for that one scene with Shinji and Asuka.
lots of people Wrote:Fork the wiki
Actually, running the software is not a challenge, since it's GPL code, although quite a few of the modifications would have to be rewritten from scratch if Fast Eddie doesn't release the source code. The current pages can be copied over, as they're CC-SA licensed. And I believe that I could interest a certain nonprofit organization into actually hosting the wiki. These are actually the easy steps.
The hard part would be getting enough of the community to jump ship and support the new project. It's a large community with a large set of material to maintain. Unless there is some way to convince editors to join another project -- and someone willing to spearhead the project -- there's not much point in even attempting a fork of the wiki.
Larry Wall Wrote:"True greatness is measured by how much freedom you give to others, not by how much you can coerce others to do what you want."
I came across this quote on Patrick Michaud's site while researching his Pmwiki, the backbone of the TV Tropes software. It seemed eerily related to the topic at hand.
Morganni Wrote:I also gotta say that I'm really not comfortable with the idea of authors just casually suppressing people who are talking about their work.
I basically have to agree. Bob's little delete spree was probably A Bad Thing. I know, because I've done similar things myself, and it's never ended well for me. And if every author got to control where and how their work was talked about, well, there wouldn't be any bad reviews or fanfiction. If that had happened on my wiki, I would have locked him out for a couple of days, and tried to talk to him in email about what went wrong. (This obviously did not happen here.)
I'm unsure of how to proceed with regards to the Drunkard's Walk page on TV Tropes. As a wiki editor, my natural inclination is to want to update it about the new chapter. Because, even if it's a website that has a lot going wrong with it, it can still attract new readers. So now that a month has gone by, I want to ask Bob what to do with the page. Should I have it unlocked to update it? Or leave it as a silent memorial to a lost age?
On the other hand, if you really want the page deleted, all you have to do is make Bubblegum Pink: Raging Fires a canon part of DW2 for a week or so.
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