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RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - classicdrogn - 11-21-2024
While I haven't seen anything about it from reputable news sources yet, various vloggers and Fox have been reporting that Russia may have fired one of their models of ICBM at Ukraine. Obviouisly not a nuclear armed one or it would definitely be all over everywhere, but a type that can carry that kind of payload.
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - robkelk - 11-21-2024
(11-21-2024, 09:18 AM)classicdrogn Wrote: While I haven't seen anything about it from reputable news sources yet, various vloggers and Fox have been reporting that Russia may have fired one of their models of ICBM at Ukraine. Obviouisly not a nuclear armed one or it would definitely be all over everywhere, but a type that can carry that kind of payload.
AP: Putin says Russia has tested a new intermediate range missile in a strike on Ukraine
If FOX is saying "ICBM", either they're misinformed or scaremongering.
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - hazard - 11-21-2024
Russia has been slinging nuclear payload capable missiles since the start.
They just haven't so far used one equipped with a nuclear warhead.
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - Labster - 11-21-2024
(11-21-2024, 12:38 PM)robkelk Wrote:(11-21-2024, 09:18 AM)classicdrogn Wrote: While I haven't seen anything about it from reputable news sources yet, various vloggers and Fox have been reporting that Russia may have fired one of their models of ICBM at Ukraine. Obviouisly not a nuclear armed one or it would definitely be all over everywhere, but a type that can carry that kind of payload.
AP: Putin says Russia has tested a new intermediate range missile in a strike on Ukraine
If FOX is saying "ICBM", either they're misinformed or scaremongering.
I would caution against believing what the Russians put out in press releases, and even against what the American government is saying. If it looks like an ICBM, it probably was, or was similar enough to one to be made with the same parts. I think Occam's razor would indicate that it's very unlikely that Russia developed an entirely new superweapon during this war when it can't get enough microchips, or even enough barrels for its artillery.
Likely, it was intended to be a specific nuclear threat to the United States, and there's no reason for the U.S. government to play up the threat. The message is clear and it was received.
from ABC News:
Quote:Ukraine's military was "95% sure" the strike on Thursday was with an ICBM, a Ukrainian official told ABC News, but added that they were still examining the missile parts on the ground and had not yet reached a final conclusion.
"Today it was a new Russian missile. All the parameters: speed, altitude -- match those of an intercontinental ballistic missile," Zelenskyy initially said in a statement on social media. "All expert evaluations are underway."
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RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - classicdrogn - 11-21-2024
(11-21-2024, 12:38 PM)robkelk Wrote: If FOX is saying "ICBM", either they're misinformed or scaremongering.
well I did say
(11-21-2024, 09:18 AM)classicdrogn Wrote: While I haven't seen anything about it from reputable news sources yet,
but that was the headline they were using for a clip title, even if the picture was lust a SCUD truck. Apparently the situation is still unclear, but I agree there's plenty of reason to doubt government statements from any side, and precious little chance of any nominally neutral, or at least international, party getting so much as close enough to catch a whiff or some from the wreckage.
Still not a positive development any way you look at it, even if it's a case of Russia having run so short on missiles that they're putting a lwar load on prototypes and sending them forward to do their test program the anime way.
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - robkelk - 02-19-2025
Governor Trump claims Ukraine started the war
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - Norgarth - 02-20-2025
One of the Trump quotes used in that article:
"Zelensky is a 'dictator without elections'"
No wonder Trump is upset, he sees someone else living his dream.
I have had several links pop up on Youtube that seem to suggest Russia recently took heavy loses in a series of assaults. dunno how accurate that is.
The 'peace talks' (which notably don't include Ukraine) may mean Putin is looking for an excuse he can use to call off the War without admitting how badly he's screwed up.
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - Labster - 03-14-2025
So Ukraine agreed to the 30 day ceasefire proposal that the United States strong-armed them into, and thereafter restored military aid. Looks like Trump is a shoe-in for a Nobel Prize and a Fields Medal too. But then Putin dropped his list of changes he wanted to agree to the ceasefire:
Quote:1. No NATO membership for Ukraine.
2. No foreign troops in Ukraine.
3. International recognition that Crimea and the four new oblasts belong to Russia
4. Ukraine is permanently a nuclear-free state
5. Putin wants a veto action to stop countries from assisting Ukraine in case it is at war again.
6. NATO rolls back its eastern expansion which they say started the war
7. No western troops in countries that border the Russian Federation
8. Russia can place limits on military size for countries that border the Russian Federation
9. A ban on NATO military exercises in the Caucasus and Central Asia
10. A ban on the United States deploying any intermediate range missiles anywhere in the world that can hit Russian territory (presumably including Alaska)
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - hazard - 03-14-2025
Trump will agree to all of these.
Whether the rest of NATO and/or the world agree is a different question.
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - Labster - 03-14-2025
Don't be ridiculous, Trump would never take orders from Mos—
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RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - Bob Schroeck - 03-14-2025
Vlad-sempai, please notice me!
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - classicdrogn - 03-15-2025
And yet, Putin turned it down. Apparently it needs even more everything he wants to get a nod from Vlad.
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - Jinx999 - 03-15-2025
(03-15-2025, 06:14 AM)classicdrogn Wrote: And yet, Putin turned it down. Apparently it needs even more everything he wants to get a nod from Vlad.
Now we see if Trump throws a temper tantrum from being denied something he wants, or he reserves that for people he thinks are beneath him on the great chain of ass kissing.
RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - robkelk - 03-23-2025
If royal visits are about sending a message, then the picture of the Prince of Wales in a tank near the Russian border must be one of the most direct.
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RE: Russian lawmakers authorize Putin to use military force outside the country, Part II - robkelk - 06-05-2025
Inside Ukraine’s secret deep strike against Russian bombers
Set aside 10 minutes for this one.
tl;dr: While the strategic win is important, the propaganda win is even more important.
EDIT: Oh, and one of the unconfirmed bits, if true, would be quite the propaganda win. I'm thinking of where the operation's HQ is said to have been located.