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Things Saber is older than... - Labster - 02-11-2024 We've had to decide where in history to put Artoria Pendragon, our very own Saber. From the legends, there are two periods which fit the most: the High Middle Ages, a time of crusaders and chivalry, and sub-Roman Britain, a break in the historical record which can accommodate legendary figures among native Britons. We're going with the earlier time period, 407-577 AD, largely because it offers some of the other elements of the story -- roughly Welsh/Cornish/Brythonic sounding names, an invasion of pagans taking on the Christian people of Britain (i.e. Angles, Saxons, and Jutes who would later win... and then later convert to Christianity), and a more blank slate into which to write. Romans withdrew their last soldiers from Britain in 407, after the Groans of the Britons, circa 450, they disappear from the historical record completely. Historian and archaeologists are currently on the peaceful immigration meme, just as they supported the tribal conquest meme before 1950, so it's hard to know what really happened. This thread is about that time, which I don't think people really have a sense of. So what is our Artoria older than?
Just on the topic of of women as rulers, I think there's enough evidence that a female!Arthur as a "king" is at least plausible, historically. Besides Jadwiga, others included precursor Pharoahs like Nefertiti and Cleopatra VI. Matilda of Tuscany was an enormously powerful margravine of the Holy Roman Empire in the late eleventh century, and was crowned "Vice-Queen" of Italy in 1111. It's hard to tell what title Boudica had, given all of our sources are Roman, but she would have ruled in her own right had the Romans not contested the will. Boudica is closer in time to our Artoria than Jadwiga, though! Yes, this is a relatively short list of women in power, but it's much more possible than a female Empress of Japan (though there were many powerful Dowager Queens in Korea and the Ottoman Empire). And much, much, much more plausible than a female Leonardo da Vinci, as suggested in the later Fate works. There's a tradition of feminist reinterpretations of King Arthur, but not so much of randomly genderswapping people with mountains of written documents about their lives for fanservice. RE: Things Saber is older than... - Dartz - 02-12-2024 Patricius was introducing the Irish to the Church at around the same time. .... it's been all downhole from then on. RE: Things Saber is older than... - Labster - 02-12-2024 Oh, that’s a good point, there were still snakes in Ireland back then. RE: Things Saber is older than... - Labster - 03-15-2024 New item Saber is older than: sabres. Obviously she's older than the word sabre, which seemed to enter the Western lexicon when Hungarians moved into Hungary. But even the concept of the curved sword seems to come later, based on 15 minutes of Wikipediing. Possibly 7th or 8th century. Which isn't too surprising, based on how hard ironworking is. It seems like Mongols and the like spread the curved sword from central Asia... where I'm guessing the curved shape would be good on horseback? Obviously the Japanese like the word sabre based on how easy "seiba" is to pronounce compared to "suoruddo". Artoria's sword looks something like a spatha, being definitely too big to be a gladius. I'm half-tempted to say that the anime made Caliburn appear too big as an element of deconstruction. RE: Things Saber is older than... - Norgarth - 03-15-2024 well, curved swords are better for slashing attacks than straight swords, and that's the most common kind of attack to do while you're riding past somebody, so it makes sense that a horseback based culture would prefer them. Plus stabbing a target as you're riding past it has a good chance of you losing your weapon due to being stuck in the target. |