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To Valles - Terrenceknight - 03-12-2009 I was browsing about the CoX forums today, and I came accross a Peacebringer thread that had something interesting in it, not in a good way mind you in regards of your mouth foaming hate of lack of Mez protection in Human form Peacebringer. You can Thank castle on that hehe. This was copied and pasted from the thread I found it on. I - Kheldian forms status ____________________________________________________________________ Issue 13 had an effect not expected at all, the enforcement to take at least the dwarf form, if not all forms. From Castle : Quote: Quote: - Wiregeek - 03-12-2009 oh no.. I'll be out of my fallout shelter in about 6 months. Neo Valles is about to EXPLODE! "No can brain today. Want cheezeburger." From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5579457/1/NGE_Nobody_Dies - OpMegs - 03-12-2009 To play devil's advocate, I can see his point. Almost no one would use Dwarf if not for the status and damage resistance it has that's superior to humanform. The problem with Khelds is that you'd have to do a serious shuffling about of powers, reasons for powers, and stats to make both mez protect in humanform work, as well as keeping Dwarf Form. Of course, for people that have a huge frothing hatred of forms for what they represent, I imagine that this is just more fuel on the fire, but the fact that he's left the subject open is a definite implication that he's willing to listen to alternative ideas. The problem is the amount of work that I imagine it'd take. For instance, basic change: Humanform attacks that mirror Squid/Lobster form attacks are slotted the same because they're the same power. Good in theory, but Double Mire for Warshades is one of their premier attractions in Dwarf form. Do you make a slight exception for Warshades there? Make both Kheld types operate similarly? Realize there'll be severe griping either way and just go with what's there because at least they're used to it? Personally, I think it'd be worth it just to free up power slots in a Kheld build, as no Kheld can take everything in their Primary and Secondary *as is*. Of course, that goes back to Forms being almost required, when you realize that linking the two would effectively strip a PB of any non-Pool attack powers since every single one of theirs are direct clones of form based powers. Then you have to consider other ATs. Suppose you boost Dwarf form's res and regen to obscene levels? Tanks start getting worried about their viability in a team. Effectively, a Dwarf cannot be allowed to natively have tank-like resistances because people would whine that Tanks are useless now, when that's a blatant oversimplification. You could *build* an uber-tank PB or WS Dwarf, but only at the expense of other power slots. Presumably someone could slot a Kheld so that Dwarf form out tanked tanks and Nova form out blasted blasters, but then you're forced to basically one or two slot, at best, possibly 70% of your powers in humanform. Personally, as a Kheld player, I'm of the opinion that the other ATs could suck it up like I have getting Lynna as high as she is. Kheld superiority is so buried under bad reputation from the rest of the userbase, that unless Khelds suddenly became VEAT level "easy mode", they'd probably still never really surpass the basic ATs. --- "Oh, silver blade, forged in the depths of the beyond. Heed my summons and purge those who stand in my way. Lay waste." - Valles - 03-13-2009 Could I have a link to that thread, please? I think I'd like to respond directly, if I can get my login working there. =========== =============================================== "V, did you do something foolish?" "Yes, and it was glorious." - Terrenceknight - 03-13-2009 http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat ... st12883836 As per request, heres your link to the Kheld thread. - Acyl - 03-13-2009 It's not really an active thread. The last cluster of posts was three weeks ago; the final post in the thread is a bit more recent, more like two weeks, but that in itself was someone digging up an old thread. Just FYI. I expect posting a response would be okay... not quite a necroposting faux-pas ... it's hardly months or years old. But nor is it really an ongoing discussion either. -- Acyl |