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[RFC]A little morality... or ethics - Dartz - 02-06-2014 As a few know, I've got this self-insert fic that's been crawling along for a while now. The last chapter posted involved an Angel that was stuck in orbit where NERV couldn't reach it, so nuclear weapons were used, with the consequence that a good chunk of the fallout got smeared across Europe. The other kind of fallout follows. I'm trying to put the next part together and a large part of doing that is dealing with the fallout, and the ethics of it, and after three or four attempts I'm starting to put together something that might make sense and I'm wondering what people think. Does it make sense, or is it a little bit overwrought? Quote:We crossed a moral Rubicon. There was no turning back. The unthinkable was now thinkable again. And every single time another Angel comes, someone, somewhere would point to what we'd done and ask; As a counterpoint, the other pilot's have very different opinions on it.... Asuka's of the opinion that it was the right decision, but Misato made it for absolutely the wrong reasons. She did it purely out of a desire for sheer revenge and hatred, rather than any noble ideas of saving the world. Shinji is more absolute about it being wrong - he's uncomfortable with living on the suffering of others, regardless. He joined NERV to help people.... Rei is... complicated. She's more uncomfortable with Shinji being uncomfortable with it, than Misato making what seems to her to be the right military decision Kaworu remarks that "An Angel will do anything to make sure their paradigm of life is the one which survives, why should humanity be any different?" And I think I know now exactly why Misato got her job. I spend far too long bothering over these little details. There's a whole mess of stuff that I jotted down that might never even be relevant to the fic at hand.... but it exists. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - classicdrogn - 02-07-2014 It looks like a reasonable length for this as an important exploration of the character, and I don't spot any logical holes in it - I'll leave aside commentary on the conclusion reached, since it's the character reporting on the result of her (this is the "insert in a Rei clone fic, right?) own thought process on the subject, rather than a discussion per se. -- "Anko, what you do in your free time is your own choice. Use it wisely. And if you do not use it wisely, make sure you thoroughly enjoy whatever unwise thing you are doing." - HymnOfRagnorok as Orochimaru at SpaceBattles woot Med. Eng., verb, 1st & 3rd pers. prsnt. sg. know, knows - Bluemage - 02-07-2014 I like the feel of it, and it is an issue that needs to be raised. A bit melodramatic, but then it's half philosophy, half nukes (which are already srs bsns). It comes by the drama honestly. I also like the other responses, though they feel almost a bit too well thought out for three fourteen-year-olds. Rei feels more emotional than I'd expect, and Asuka a bit more sensitive than I'd expect her to act... though I expect that's more how it's phrased than the actual message. My Unitarian Jihad Name is: Brother Atom Bomb of Courteous Debate. Get yours. I've been writing a bit. - Dartz - 02-07-2014 Quote:It looks like a reasonable length for this as an important exploration of the character, and I don't spot any logical holes in it - I'll leave aside commentary on the conclusion reached, since it's the character reporting on the result of her (this is the "insert in a Rei clone fic, right?) own thought process on the subject, rather than a discussion per se. It's not - it's the shameless ripoff of it . I'm not even sure about the conclusion reached myself, but something about it feels like the start of a road paved with good intentions. The world and its mother are bound to have differing opinions on it, and not all of them with wholesome themselves. Quote: I like the feel of it, and it is an issue that needs to be raised. A bit melodramatic, but then it's half philosophy, half nukes (which are already srs bsns). It comes by the drama honestly. It helps breed melodrama when someone's half buying in to the propaganda. The one thing I want to avoid is the 'How many megatons today' flippancy that Spacebattles tends to breed, while striking a different more Godzilla-like tone compared to the other Eva fic that used nuclear weapons against Angels. Or, for that matter, without getting too heavily mired down in it. And that's not how they make their feelings known in the story. It's just how I've got them noted down for my own benefit while writing them. Asuka will be more snappy about it, for a start. While Shinji will be more vague in the 'I thought we were supposed to be helping people" sense, and Kaworu's response is specifically to set some things up for later on.... ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Foxboy - 02-07-2014 Quote:ClassicDrogn wrote:Nope, that was mine. But Dartz's insert did get stuffed into a "Children" Suit, even if she was an OC. ''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.'' -- James Nicoll - Bob Schroeck - 02-07-2014 Double-stuffed, even, as she had to play Yuki Nagato to a crazy girl who thought she was Haruhi... -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. - Dartz - 02-07-2014 Bob Schroeck Wrote:Double-stuffed, even, as she had to play Yuki Nagato to a crazy girl who thought she was Haruhi... I really regret adding that plotline to the story.. It was something to do with the original ending I had planned, but I changed it a while ago on advice as a few people I discussed it with thought it would be a bit of a copout. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - classicdrogn - 02-08-2014 ... I'm trying to imagine actual-Haruhi/Eva crossovers and getting nothing but awesome ... mainly because even if she hates the inane normal world, the existence of giant robots who appear to fight the monsters her subconscious dreams up to destroy it would immediately snap her out of that funk, and being Haruhi the super-robot sentai tropes would NOT be successfully averted by whichever conspiracy pulling strings in the dark, or character X not rising to overcome their trauma at the critical moment. Evangeliawesome. I should probably reread the actual story before I try to comment further on it though, since I got it mixed up with Foxboy's somehow. Got a link? -- "Anko, what you do in your free time is your own choice. Use it wisely. And if you do not use it wisely, make sure you thoroughly enjoy whatever unwise thing you are doing." - HymnOfRagnorok as Orochimaru at SpaceBattles woot Med. Eng., verb, 1st & 3rd pers. prsnt. sg. know, knows - Sirrocco - 02-08-2014 Gotta go with classicDrogn here. The great part about it is the reverse cerebrus effect, as Haruhi's motivation for generating enormous monsters goes from "the world is boring and I want to end it" to "giant robot battles are awesome, and someone needs to show up to be the villain" and the enemies start to rotate from "grim and threatening" to "wacky and awesome". For Dartz - this seems to be a reasonably well-written version of what it is. Additionally, I personally found myself not so much int he mood for philosophical pondering, and it felt to me like it dragged on a bit. I suspect that that's more a matter of me not being target audience than there being anything really wrong with it. It was still readable, and I wouldn't say it was overwrought. - classicdrogn - 02-09-2014 ... does that make Kensuke the Male Haruhi? :fear: -- "Anko, what you do in your free time is your own choice. Use it wisely. And if you do not use it wisely, make sure you thoroughly enjoy whatever unwise thing you are doing." - HymnOfRagnorok as Orochimaru at SpaceBattles woot Med. Eng., verb, 1st & 3rd pers. prsnt. sg. know, knows - Dartz - 02-11-2014 ClassicDrogn Wrote:... does that make Kensuke the Male Haruhi? :fear: I would expect in that case he would be one of the pilot's himself, and not eternally frustrated on the sidelines begging for his chance. Unless he's secretely self-hating, self-sabotaging and doesn't truly believe he deserves the chance - and so subconsciously sabotages his own reality warping to ensure that he never sits in the Pilot's seat but is perpetually dissapointed, because that's all he feels a horrible person like him deserves.... Well, it might be a Haruhi Crossover, but it's still Evangelion at the core. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - classicdrogn - 02-12-2014 Well, I wasn't proposing for events to turn out like Evangelion canon. Rather the opposite, really. -- "Anko, what you do in your free time is your own choice. Use it wisely. And if you do not use it wisely, make sure you thoroughly enjoy whatever unwise thing you are doing." - HymnOfRagnorok as Orochimaru at SpaceBattles woot Med. Eng., verb, 1st & 3rd pers. prsnt. sg. know, knows |