Quote:And if you're an admin, take a look at a category, and click the Edit All button... fun stuff. Let me know if you have any problems with it.

robkelk Wrote:Policy decisions, please.

The most recent revision to More Dakka removes the "No Real Life Examples, Please" note and adds a real-life example. It was followed up with the most recent revision to No Real Life Examples, Please.

These are anonymous edits, and I recognize the IPv4 address as belonging to the Government of Canada. (It is, in fact, the gateway to the network I use at the office - but I didn't make this update).

Do we let this stand?

I'm also tempted to put a one-week ban on the IP address with the reason "Anonymous edits from government networks are discouraged. Please log in to make changes." Good idea or not? (If we decide to do this, it should be my name on the block.)

Bob Schroeck Wrote:Whoever made those edits is a regular reader of the wiki, at least the recent changes page because they used the phrase "control freakery"; they're probably also a TVT refugee, if only for the dig at Feddie. Which means they almost certainly have an account (or should) and should be using it.

I agree -- impose the ban. As for the changes... revert. Anonymous editors don't get to change policy.

Bob Schroeck Wrote:As for the category/content issue, let me think about it. It rubbed me wrong the first time I saw one such implemented, but I've gotten used to them. Still, I'd need to actually stop and think on the matter before offering an opinion.

vorticity Wrote:I mainly brought up the category thing because it annoys me, and since I'm essentially the structural architect of the wiki, I want to know why people are ignoring my structure.

My main argument is that it's Square Peg Round Trope, insofar as you're taking something that's supposed to be an index and using it as a content page.  The main advantage is that you get automatic tracking of new pages.  But what really are you tracking?  Not trope subpages, as it groups everything else in.  Also by default, you include the main page category, which means you get a recursive category.  That's not really awesome.

The other way to do auto-updating is to use the {{subpages}} template.  Not only does it track new pages, but it doesn't have to repeat the name of the work every time.  And it's very easy to customize -- we could wrap it in CSS to put it in columns.  Or we could make it strip out known subpages like recap or quotes pages -- which is definitely not something we want to do with category pages.  The only downside here is that new page won't be added immediately, but might take a few hours or a page purge -- just the way our caching works.

But if we use redirect tropes we end up with a bunch of tropes that don't get the correct link color, which makes that less useful.  Plus it makes subcategories less useful.  To find a trope in a category, you don't know which part of the page to look on.  I've spent a lot of time on making the categories work, and I feel like things have gotten worse instead of better since I stopped working on them.

The argument about InputBox is meh, because there's already an extra way to create new subpages in the Create New part of {{trope}}/{{work}}.  More attention, sure.  Do we need to clutter up the wiki with reminders on how to edit the wiki?  I thought that was TVT's game.

Also Geth -- super cool how you brought up a private concern in a public forum without telling me, or presenting any of my opinions.  Thanks a lot man.

vorticity Wrote:You don't have to apologize that much, man.  I'm just a little more annoyed than usual because I had two parents have surgery in the past two days.  And I probably need to call a vet for the dog tomorrow too.  Also there's a surprisingly amoral oompa-loompa poised to take over the U.S. presidency.

If anyone does have a good reason to keep category-tropes, since we're already talking about it in public, go ahead.  That is what my email asked for, anyway.
 

vorticity Wrote:If anyone does have a good reason to keep category-tropes, since we're already talking about it in public, go ahead.  That is what my email asked for, anyway.

robkelk Wrote:

vorticity Wrote:If anyone does have a good reason to keep category-tropes, since we're already talking about it in public, go ahead.  That is what my email asked for, anyway.

Do we have any way to take a straw poll on ATT itself? My opinion is that we should let the people who actually use and contribute to the wiki have a say in how it's laid out.

GethN7 Wrote:

robkelk Wrote:

vorticity Wrote:If anyone does have a good reason to keep category-tropes, since we're already talking about it in public, go ahead.  That is what my email asked for, anyway.

Do we have any way to take a straw poll on ATT itself? My opinion is that we should let the people who actually use and contribute to the wiki have a say in how it's laid out.

 

I agree, Rob, that would be a good idea, might want to look into putting up a site notice to a forum topic where people can give their opinion on the matter.

FYI, for the time being, I'm still reverting most of the time I did things my way (except for a few categories like the Index Index for obvious reasons), because I've noticed it definitely clears up the redirect issues, but I did notice a new problem.

While the subpages template works great for trope examples subpages, we need another template for all pages in a category, and it will definitely need some sprucing up with CSS, ideally a laying out of the pages in column view with a page scroll feature like is done on the actual category pages, and a collapse tab needs to be added for both templates if at all possible for easier navigation.

robkelk Wrote:

GethN7 Wrote:

robkelk Wrote:Do we have any way to take a straw poll on ATT itself? My opinion is that we should let the people who actually use and contribute to the wiki have a say in how it's laid out.

 

I agree, Rob, that would be a good idea, might want to look into putting up a site notice to a forum topic where people can give their opinion on the matter.

FYI, for the time being, I'm still reverting most of the time I did things my way (except for a few categories like the Index Index for obvious reasons), because I've noticed it definitely clears up the redirect issues, but I did notice a new problem.

While the subpages template works great for trope examples subpages, we need another template for all pages in a category, and it will definitely need some sprucing up with CSS, ideally a laying out of the pages in column view with a page scroll feature like is done on the actual category pages, and a collapse tab needs to be added for both templates if at all possible for easier navigation.

That's a template that I would steal... er, copy with attribution for the freebie wiki. We already use "Template:div col" there for column layout; we might want to leverage that for layout on ATT instead of re-inventing the wheel.

Bob Schroeck Wrote:Well, glad to see that that's all more or less worked out without me having to worry about tiebreaking or something. Especially since by the time I got onto the wiki today the changes were already in progress.

I suppose it's all been very server-intensive somehow somewhere, because I've been having some the worst load times and whatnot today that I've had in months, not to mention every other page save resulting in a bogus "lost session data" error.

Quote:All wiki markup will work fine for the most part, but I DO NOT recommend trying to fit Userboxes on there anywhere, they don't fit well.

Quote:And, while I know we have a basic policy imported from TV Tropes on user pages, since we've got the SocialProfile page option added, I was wondering if we shouldn't draw up a more formal page on what is and isn't allowed in user spaces and user profiles (only users can edit their own SP page, while technically anyone can edit the User and UserWiki spaces).

Quote:I have also sent out some friend requests, please let me know if you got confirmation emails, especially you two, Bob and Brent, want to make sure that feature works.

Bob Schroeck Wrote:

Quote:All wiki markup will work fine for the most part, but I DO NOT recommend trying to fit Userboxes on there anywhere, they don't fit well.

Hm. Hadn't thought to move them off my userpage anyway.

Quote:And, while I know we have a basic policy imported from TV Tropes on user pages, since we've got the SocialProfile page option added, I was wondering if we shouldn't draw up a more formal page on what is and isn't allowed in user spaces and user profiles (only users can edit their own SP page, while technically anyone can edit the User and UserWiki spaces).

Yeah, that's a good idea. We should probably put a post up about it on the forums and start generating a consensus.

Quote:I have also sent out some friend requests, please let me know if you got confirmation emails, especially you two, Bob and Brent, want to make sure that feature works.

Received and replied.

On the topic, I noticed when reading the extension docs you linked a dozen or so messages up that there's some kind of point system in there. Do we have that activated?

robkelk Wrote:Geth, I feel sorrow for your loss. It's never easy losing a loved one.

You have more important things to do than tend to a wiki. We'll hold the fort until you feel up to coming back. (And if you think it's a good idea to send that editor my way, you cam mention that I'm the only Kelk in GEDS - the editor will know what that means.)