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Star Trek:Picard
Star Trek:Picard
#1
apparently, CBS all access has learned from the outrage over Discovery, or perhaps I am just.... Slow.

However, episodes of Picard are available a week after their exclusive release on the service (I say this because I have notifications about commentary about week 2 being available while I am still watching week 1).

Discus and or dispute?
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RE: Star Trek:Picard
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I got to see episode 1...

It's certainly our Jean Luc Picard that we all know and love.

But it's also certainly the take on Star Trek that most of us hate.

You know, the one that completely forgets that this is a post-scarcity society, and without scarcity, ideology as a source of conflict only goes so far.

But now I can't find episodes 1 or 2.

Are they only keeping them up for a small window of time?
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I have... thoughts about the latest episode. They are unkind thoughts.

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I have to say, the plotline of 'the Federation makes an android slave race that seemingly rises up against them and burns Mars down' infuriates me the more I think about it.
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Yeah, that's really not the sort of thing the Federation would do.

From how my friends describe the series, Star Trek Picard isn't a Star Trek series. It's a pretty good science fiction series that happens to feature an expy of Picard as the main character.
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It doesn't really seem like they were intelligent - more like sort of zombies. Not really alive as such. And then someone fucked with them somehow and we get the whole Never Forget Mars and Make the Federation Great Again future that resulted.

The twist in Picard will be discovering exactly how the future equivelant of the Loose Change conspiracy nut types were right.

I love the smell of rotaries in the morning. You know one time, I got to work early, before the rush hour. I walked through the empty carpark, I didn't see one bloody Prius or Golf. And that smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole carpark, smelled like.... ....speed.

One day they're going to ban them.
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Like Discovery, it's got good parts, but the cynical 'the future will be dark and edgy and bitter' nonsense gets in the way a lot.
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(03-02-2020, 05:18 PM)Matrix Dragon Wrote: I have to say, the plotline of 'the Federation makes an android slave race that seemingly rises up against them and burns Mars down' infuriates me the more I think about it.

They went there?

wow... I thought I was writing an over-the-top character when I did this post over in There's Nothing Better. Guess I'll have to readjust my expectations... and be happy that I'm not watching the show.
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RE: Star Trek:Picard
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(03-02-2020, 05:18 PM)Matrix Dragon Wrote: I have to say, the plotline of 'the Federation makes an android slave race that seemingly rises up against them and burns Mars down' infuriates me the more I think about it.
I mean, they had a whole episode where they tried to unperson a decorated Starfleet officer and the researcher wasn't clapped in irons immediately so clearly there were elements that were fine with it. And Star Trek is filled with examples of machines becoming sentient and a little angry at their circumstances.
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(03-03-2020, 01:20 AM)Bad Moon Wrote:
(03-02-2020, 05:18 PM)Matrix Dragon Wrote: I have to say, the plotline of 'the Federation makes an android slave race that seemingly rises up against them and burns Mars down' infuriates me the more I think about it.
I mean, they had a whole episode where they tried to unperson a decorated Starfleet officer and the researcher wasn't clapped in irons immediately so clearly there were elements that were fine with it.  And Star Trek is filled with examples of machines becoming sentient and a little angry at their circumstances.

This does not stop me from being utterly infuriated with the 'better future' civilization failing so completely.
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Copied from one of Northgarden Norgarth's posts in the Images thread:

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‎noli esse culus
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Never forget the glory that is Admiral Stabby The Space Roomba with a Knife!
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....  Yeah, now I'm glad I'm not watching this anymore.

They could have gone any other way and have it make sense in a "darker and grittier" kind of way.

Like a Romulan faction bent on keeping the Federation as enemies no matter what, so they're the ones responsible for what happened to Mars.  It's believable within cannon - there are some Romulans that would saw off their own leg to get one over the Federation.

But nope!  We gotta make the humans Federation all edgy fuckwads because apparently that's human nature.  Never mind that they've been living in a post-scarcity paradise for the last 200 years where disease and poverty have been completely eliminated.

EDIT:
Oh, and to the writers and producers at CBS?

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Seriously, when did Star Trek Online, with all its eternal wars, become the optimistic timeline?
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(03-09-2020, 05:17 PM)Matrix Dragon Wrote: Seriously, when did Star Trek Online, with all its eternal wars, become the optimistic timeline?

The moment the executives at CBS decided that they wanted to try and attract a "younger demographic" and figured that grittier and edgier was the way to go.

Keep in mind, these are the same people (or at least the same breed) that killed a project to build a life-scale replica of the USS Enterprise in Las Vegas and pack it with Star Trek attractions, and only because they didn't want it to dirty their reputation should it go bad.

YEAH.
RIGHT.

You know, there was a very successful series of ST novels that fully adopted and implemented Gene Roddenberry's "Wagon Train To The Stars" pitch, with the Enterprise being the flag ship among just a mere handful of smaller Federation ships as they escort a convoy of colonists to settle in new territory.

That is something I would love to see.  It would be like Star Trek meets Battlestar Galactica, except the threats, while nothing like Cylons, are much more myriad.  Conmen among the colonist trying to build an empire for themselves.  Two neighboring alien races at each other's throats.  Natural disasters.  Misunderstood higher-dimensional beings mucking around (sometimes with utterly hilarious results).  Gutsy and ballsy young guns that build a scrapper of a frigate out of nothing but derelicts and spare parts.

I'd watch the shit out of that.
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Pretty sure the younger demographic is pretty tired of the grittier and edgier things.

I mean, I'm sure the grittier part isn't really the problem so much as the edgier. Because 'it takes real, heavy effort that may cost you much' is one thing, but the whole 'the world's shit, the universe's shit and it's always going to end shitty' is something else entirely. And young people?

Thanks to old people they don't need to know the future's going to be pretty bleak if people in general don't start doing something about it fast. And the old people in charge seem eager to do nothing at best, but they are the ones that make the decisions that matter.
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(03-09-2020, 06:51 PM)hazard Wrote: Pretty sure the younger demographic is pretty tired of the grittier and edgier things.

I mean, I'm sure the grittier part isn't really the problem so much as the edgier. Because 'it takes real, heavy effort that may cost you much' is one thing, but the whole 'the world's shit, the universe's shit and it's always going to end shitty' is something else entirely. And young people?

Thanks to old people they don't need to know the future's going to be pretty bleak if people in general don't start doing something about it fast. And the old people in charge seem eager to do nothing at best, but they are the ones that make the decisions that matter.
Are you suggesting that network executives are *gasp* out of touch with the viewers?!? Dodgy
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... Okay Star Trek. You didn't go with the 'AI Bad' plotline so many shows adore doing. Well done.
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So,CBS All Access is offering a free month-long trial until 4/23. See below.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/25/21194...rek-picard


Kilroy
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Not an option for me. SOmething in their website code borks the form when it gets to my browser so I cant just say shut up and take my money.
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to rock the sky?
Thats' every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry!
NO QUARTER!

No Quarter by Echo's Children
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From what I've seen, this is not a Star Trek series, it's a cheaply constructed doppleganger from BIzarro World calling itself something it barely resembles.

I don't mind darker and edgier when you do it in such a way that respects the world doesn't want that to be permanent, like how DS9 featured good people pushed to the edge of their ethics when they would have preferred any other option and the genuinely dark elements were aberrations to the norm, not the day to day rule.

STP desecrates that. Another DS9 style show featuring a Federation that wants to maintain its principles in circumstances where that's becoming a losing option and showing how that causes them conscience issues, that would be compelling to watch. Instead, we get a bunch of people pretending this is the same universe where being the Punisher would be seen as a barbarous outrage and treating it like it's all too normal.

I have no intention of paying this defilement of what Star Trek stood for any heed with that said.
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Starfleet's big damn heroes moment this episode was brilliant. The Federation may have stumbled, but when it matters, they still stand in defense of the innocent.
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#23
That was a good trek episode.

Season could've done with being longer and more fleshed out. It did get better in the 2nd half, right around the time the Original Beard Grower returned.

I love the smell of rotaries in the morning. You know one time, I got to work early, before the rush hour. I walked through the empty carpark, I didn't see one bloody Prius or Golf. And that smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole carpark, smelled like.... ....speed.

One day they're going to ban them.
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(03-27-2020, 06:29 PM)Dartz Wrote: That was a good trek episode.

Season could've done with being longer and more fleshed out. It did get better in the 2nd half, right around the time the Original Beard Grower returned.

It's his superpower Smile
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