Actually... Jet might want to hand-over the second quirked suit to Arthur. He'll pay well for it, too. One reason the second suit may have glitched is if you did use the Wright Phone in it. Wright Phones are already waved (and, this is all legal, a bit of a test case), but, there are things people aren't told about them...
As to how Jet came to be wearing the first suit, maybe it got up and came to her when she would otherwise have died... Or, the second suit picked it up and brought it to her...
Are railguns covered under firearms laws in ROI? I thought they were more generally treated as air rifles. But, if you annoyed enough people then they might have claimed "high powered railgun equivalent to firearm", I guess.
If Jet doesn't object to Bea as a liason, she'd do things like run interference with the authorities, do groceries shopping, provide a voice modulator so you can sound more male over the phone, set-up a bio-feedback rig so you can try and get your strength a bit better under control. Bea would be intruiged by what Jet is now. She's pretty sure there are ways to deal with Jet's problems. Once Jet has her strength well enough under control, will she carry a passenger? [grin]
Bea would likely be the one who informed Jet the authorities were on their way.
Bea is not an Australian sexaroid, honest! [grin]
But you might wonder why she has a USB port. [grin]
Also... Would Jet be interested in coming in on a quiet, evening, private, handwavium handling course? Not essential, as long as you're only doing theoretical work for them, but, if you're building prototypes they need to be able to say that everyone has at least passed the basic safety course.
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Generally assumption on Jet wearing the suit is..... Jet's aware of putting a hand on the surface and the skin on his hand sticking as it pulls away.... then ****STATIC****. Followed by 'Oh Godwhat have I become the next morning. Jet may even have put it on under some compulsion. In general, Jet waved a hardsuit with wavium hard-imprinted to create a hardsuited Knight Saber, the hardsuit was missing one important part. The wearer. And on the images Jet used, there was no obvious distinction that the wearer was separate from the suit.
Arthur can have a second suit.... the result is a lot like what happens when you combine parts from two different action figures from the same series.... it looksbodged and hodgpodged and is only partly recongiseable.
Jet would like to have Bea as a liason.... however an important part of Jet's character is that he trains and practices to learn to control himself, both her body and her temper. Jet likely trashes any attempt at a feedback or limiter, without even trying. Jet's Panzer Kunst training is what allows him to control herself, and that doesn't happen until after Jet makes it to Mars.
Carrying passengers is tough....Jet stuggles to lift a catgirl with three engines, let alone a single thruster..... unless they can mount in place of a GoPro camera. Or use some sort of vicarious experience.
On Irish firearms law. Even airsoft AEG's are counted as full-blown firearms if they shoot a projectile at over 1J in total energy. Yes really. In theory a 2J+ airsoft 'gun' requires the same firearms license as a handgun or rifle. With the same penalties for not having it. (Which are.... unpleasant). A railgun capable of doing injuries would definitely fall into the limit. Irish firearms laws were developed because of a little problem starting in I, and ending with RA.
Given Jet's accident happened as a result of a mislabelled container, and storing a dangerous substance in a container normally used for containing consumeable liquids.... Jet might've taken the standard driving test approach to handwavium classes.
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Dartz Wrote:Arthur can have a second suit.... the result is a lot like what happens when you combine parts from two different action figures from the same series.... it looksbodged and hodgpodged and is only partly recongiseable. Arthur will either himself try and make it smoothly functional, or one of the other engineers will try and sort it out. Maybe Bea would like to take it on as a project.
Dartz Wrote:Jet would like to have Bea as a liason.... however an important part of
Jet's character is that he trains and practices to learn to control
himself, both her body and her temper. Jet likely trashes any attempt at
a feedback or limiter, without even trying. Jet's Panzer Kunst training
is what allows him to control herself, and that doesn't happen until
after Jet makes it to Mars. Limiters imply messing with Jet's hardware - Bea isn't prepared to do that. Feedback seemed worth trying. However, she is quite happy to work with Jet in writing a manual on Jet's functionality, spares required for all likely failure modes, that sort of thing. Jet isn't required to read the manual, just have it ready when maintenance is required.
Dartz Wrote:Carrying passengers is tough....Jet stuggles to lift a catgirl with
three engines, let alone a single thruster..... unless they can mount in
place of a GoPro camera. Or use some sort of vicarious experience. OK, Bea will come along with a small doll, which seems to be fully animated and functional. And, vocal. The doll's name is "Matilda".
If Jet wants to, Bea thinks she could rig a playback, afterwards, so Jet could feel what Matilda did, the rush of wind, the danger-high, that sort of thing.
Dartz Wrote:Given Jet's accident happened as a result of a mislabelled container,
and storing a dangerous substance in a container normally used for
containing consumeable liquids.... Jet might've taken the standard
driving test approach to handwavium classes. So, that is "study to take the test, pass, then ignore it and get on with surviving on the road", then? [grin]
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It will probably have been taken apart for parts for Jet to use to get 'The Office'. Flying is nice.... but not if you can't transport your days work with you . Jet's used parts from it to modify a motorcycle to be rideable.... mostly to work the gearshift, kickstand, centrestand and clutch, and modify the throttle to be thumb-operated, and the rear brake for the left hand. The remains will be half-functional.... and was near functional without waving. Jet might be encouraged to build (or instruct) a third using the same techniques and equipment for analysis. But it might be difficult to actually build with Jet's metal fingers.
A small doll should be fine. Although, Jet can feel the rush of wind, the adrenaline rush of the G-forces and the rush of tearing through a tunnel full of traffic at full speed.... (among other things.) Jet's not a robot, and can open the visor, or remove the helmet quite happily. It might be more fun for the ordinary mundanes. Capturing the excitement of high-speed flight pays some money.... thought not a lot. Especially since Jet has to be careful about the soundtracks used because then the soundtrack owners gets all the advertising revenue from google.
Considering my latest game on the roads is making a tachikoma figurine dance across the dashboard around roundabouts, I'd say that's not far wrong.
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Dartz Wrote:It will probably have been taken apart for parts for Jet to use to get 'The Office'. Flying is nice.... but not if you can't transport your days work with you . Jet's used parts from it to modify a motorcycle to be rideable.... mostly to work the gearshift, kickstand, centrestand and clutch, and modify the throttle to be thumb-operated, and the rear brake for the left hand. The remains will be half-functional.... and was near functional without waving. Jet might be encouraged to build (or instruct) a third using the same techniques and equipment for analysis. But it might be difficult to actually build with Jet's metal fingers. Knowing the techniques would be useful in writing a manual for Jet. Bea is certainly interested enough to learn. She does say she wont be building any exact copies without your permission, because, after all, it is your design.
It is pretty clear that Bea has been studying the BGC manga and anime. She asks if Jet had considered a range of control modules to drive people's normal cars for them, based on the limited AI in the Motorslaves? Given waved battery technology electric cars look quite practical, and they arguably get a lot more useful if they can be robot driven. No, Bea thinks it would be a bad idea to 'Gibson' any cars, or make them transform.
Dartz Wrote:A small doll should be fine. Although, Jet can feel the rush of wind,
the adrenaline rush of the G-forces and the rush of tearing through a
tunnel full of traffic at full speed.... (among other things.) Jet's not
a robot, and can open the visor, or remove the helmet quite happily. It
might be more fun for the ordinary mundanes. Capturing the excitement
of high-speed flight pays some money.... thought not a lot. Especially
since Jet has to be careful about the soundtracks used because then the
soundtrack owners gets all the advertising revenue from google. The problem is that you can record it, but people don't have the interfaces to experience it.
Matilda would appear to have some skill at original music composition, and would be pleased to help out with the sound-track side of things. If Jet is surprised at a composer doll, Bea's comment is "Thank the wave".
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Jet would request that the hardsuit not be replicated. Not out of any desire to protect the design, but simply because Jet genuinely feels the method istoo dangerous and unstable to be re-used. There's near 100Kg of wave in the armour alone.... and Jet doesn't want repeat of the same incident if another wearer of a Jet Hardsuit get's biomodded while wearing one, all that wave might react and repeat.
Although, sometime towards the end of 2015, Arthur might receive an email containing the details of the early Stingray hardsuits..... under an LGPL license. Being made of metal makes it a lot less likely to fuse. It doesn't stop one or two from trying....
While Motorslave can exist beforehand (I'd be amazed if they didn't)...... Jet has her own version of them beginning in 2017/18.
It takes Jet several years to try any large-sized handwavium related projects however (her confidence is knocked, and then the Boskone conflict and Jet's training/duties mean there's little or no time to do much that's sparky until Jet moves in to Frigga and has more hours in the day to fill).... and even then, what Jet builds is pared to the bone with the bare minimum of waving to get it to work. Jet's 'Bubblegum Wave' quirk manifests pretty awkwardly if his armour comes in contact with any sample being used.... it'll do weird things around the shop for certain until it's discovered.
That just depends on the simulation hardware. But trust me, even a decent high-res video will be an adrenaline rush for most mundanes. If only to make them wince as Jet skims under bridges, and through the gap between a pair of trucks at speeds so high it would be.... messy.... to crash.
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I'm pretty sure that Arthur is more interested in industrial power frames, so, something more like a Motorslave in humanoid form, without weapons, crossed with the 'Aliens' films power-lifter.
I expect the "Bubblegum Wave" stuff will be spotted pretty early, and worked-around. A lot of Dr Stingray's stuff would be pretty useful.
Past a certain point I'm pretty sure that Arthur wont be too happy about risks to other road users from Jet's flights. Particularly if there are any accidents as people swerve to avoid Jet, even though from Jet's point of view there will be a clear miss.
From Arthur's point of view, a lot of driving is praying that no one around you does anything too stupid, as you desperately hope you'll survive (no, he isn't a happy driver, piloting on the other hand...). Risking your own life is one thing, risking other people's...
Bea and Matilda, on the other hand, seem to think that life is just a risky business, and you have to take your fun where you can find it.
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Power frames Jet can do....
They'll be quirky, resist any attempt at UI development beyond 1980's text and wireframe despite having all the best modern hardware thrown at it. They'll also make the Vrrrrmmm---clunk noise. And be motion-controlled (Like the original hardsuit was supposed to be). They'll also be very, very Shinji Aramaki in style. At least, the prototype.
Risk wise, Jet isn't even thinking about them. Jet's still looking for the limits to newfound capabilities.... like child with a new toy. How fast can I react? How many G can I take? How much can I lift? How fast can I go? Jet's basically slowly discovering that he doesn't want out of the suit. Scoot across the ocean to the US? Bullet to Japan? Bother airforces.... For Jet, with great power comes great fun and fleeting thrills and real freedom. (And in a comic book story, probably negative attention from the local heroes followed by a good kicking when Jet panics and fights back.)
And steadily, Jet grows more and more isolated from humanity and the normal baseline. Jet sill believes himself to be just trapped in the suit, that it's jammed shut around a biomod or something and it's just a matter of getting it off, or figuring out how to open the original suit. While quietly ignoring mounting evidence that what's under the metal might not be human anymore.
Eventualy, Jet has to make a sudden drop-everything run to orbit.... and dissapears from Arthur's radar for some time. Then discovers the awful truth about her cyborg body from A.C.
It'd be an interesting story for sure....
It's a minor retcon..... but it's interesting.
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Dartz Wrote:Power frames Jet can do....
They'll be quirky, resist any attempt at UI development beyond 1980's text and wireframe despite having all the best modern hardware thrown at it. They'll also make the Vrrrrmmm---clunk noise. And be motion-controlled (Like the original hardsuit was supposed to be). They'll also be very, very Shinji Aramaki in style. At least, the prototype.
Risk wise, Jet isn't even thinking about them. Jet's still looking for the limits to newfound capabilities.... like child with a new toy. How fast can I react? How many G can I take? How much can I lift? How fast can I go? Jet's basically slowly discovering that he doesn't want out of the suit. Scoot across the ocean to the US? Bullet to Japan? Bother airforces.... For Jet, with great power comes great fun and fleeting thrills and real freedom. (And in a comic book story, probably negative attention from the local heroes followed by a good kicking when Jet panics and fights back.)
And steadily, Jet grows more and more isolated from humanity and the normal baseline. Jet sill believes himself to be just trapped in the suit, that it's jammed shut around a biomod or something and it's just a matter of getting it off, or figuring out how to open the original suit. While quietly ignoring mounting evidence that what's under the metal might not be human anymore.
Eventualy, Jet has to make a sudden drop-everything run to orbit.... and dissapears from Arthur's radar for some time. Then discovers the awful truth about her cyborg body from A.C.
It'd be an interesting story for sure....
It's a minor retcon..... but it's interesting. Sounds workable...
I'm quite happy with that from Arthur and crew's point of view. Jet will get not only paid from the power frame, but also get a slice of the profits, say 5% (Arthur doesn't necessarily tell Jet about this at the time, but there might be reasons's he's distracted...). This gets banked, and you can tap it later. Not enough to retire on, but might be useful.
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If that's the case, what would Arthur's thoughts be on gamebots?
The Frigga Defence Force concept fell apart when they couldn't find people they were willing to trust with the secret of the Knight Sabers...... but a series of Wright Frames, being driven by FPS AI's to provide OpFor squads which will act asa reasonable facsimile of human infantry, using tactics, returning fire, and falling over screaming as appropriate, under the direction of TITANIC.
Their AI and overall intelligence and skill determined by adjusting the difficulty rating on the game. The game chosen determines the behaviour of the AI. STALKER AI might be more.... devious and bandit-like, but at the same time prone to blundering into objects. CoD AI varies between noobish and vulgar 12 year olds and genuinely decent modern infantry tactics....., Metal Gear Solid is better for one on one training..... and some game from Fenspace recent history..
They'd have to be tough, capable of being repaired easily after being shot up, and theoretically incapable of being modifed to use live ammunition in their rifles.
It's just a thought. And covers for the fact that the real reason for the FDF falling through was because I couldn't come up with interesting people to populate it, or fun things to do.
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Dartz Wrote:If that's the case, what would Arthur's thoughts be on gamebots?
The Frigga Defence Force concept fell apart when they couldn't find people they were willing to trust with the secret of the Knight Sabers...... but a series of Wright Frames, being driven by FPS AI's to provide OpFor squads which will act asa reasonable facsimile of human infantry, using tactics, returning fire, and falling over screaming as appropriate, under the direction of TITANIC.
Their AI and overall intelligence and skill determined by adjusting the difficulty rating on the game. The game chosen determines the behaviour of the AI. STALKER AI might be more.... devious and bandit-like, but at the same time prone to blundering into objects. CoD AI varies between noobish and vulgar 12 year olds and genuinely decent modern infantry tactics....., Metal Gear Solid is better for one on one training..... and some game from Fenspace recent history..
They'd have to be tough, capable of being repaired easily after being shot up, and theoretically incapable of being modifed to use live ammunition in their rifles.
It's just a thought. And covers for the fact that the real reason for the FDF falling through was because I couldn't come up with interesting people to populate it, or fun things to do. When you talk about games Arthur's thoughts turn more to things like the Metaverse VR, but if you did it right then it'd be workable.
If you re-designed Wright Frames to use tougher, waved, materials, because you didn't care about whether they had detectable levels of handwavium, that might work. The existing Frames use a fibre-optic mesh for touch and heat sensors, embedded in medical latex. If you could replace that with something like diamondoid fibres and the skin with a waved hybrid between plastic and ceramic that might do. Diamondoid structural members, ultra hardened electronics, really good comms to their remote AIs...
They normally only fall over if they are programmed to. For extra sophistication, add a holo cloak of some sort, to simulate wounds.
Then, you'd use a Frame Maintenance Pod, which you gave the raw materials and rendered damaged Frames back up to full spec again. With, integrated careful checks to ensure no tampering with the safety protocols.
A weapon scanner system is tied into their bodies, with an array of hidden checkpoints, used in an irregular pattern, to check they are using game, not live, weapons. Unless an active weapons check with credible parameters, and double checks, succeeds, then they wont fire weapons. Critical parts of their electronics are routed through this system - you'd have to dismantle and rebuild, maybe with some redesign, to get a real soldier. And, find an AI with enough control bandwidth to run enough of them.
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I'm currently writing a story set in the Genaros metaverse. Well, set around it now. It's still only mostly in rough outline format, however. But some rough details might be found on the wiki.
And Frigga specifically advertises the realism of real-life exercises over virtual. Because, even with simmunitions and gentle contact rounds, you'll still feel the aches and pains for days after. Survival Shot believes that in a virtual training sim people will be more apt to try big-consequence tactics they wouldn't in real life. While in a meatspace exercise, with injury and genuine pain being threatened, people may be a lot more careful and natural. Because they know it will still hurt in the morning when the exercise is over. Whether this is true or not would fill up threads on newsgroups debating the relative merits of each approach.
Frigga doesn't use sapient AI's however. TITANIC is a distributed expert system running on a whole bunch of everything on Frigga, and is capable of directing the existing drones used quite happily.
But if that's what Arther responds with when Frigga issues their RFP, and the price is right, then he'll get a contract to supply enough to outfit the OpFor.
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Dartz Wrote:I'm currently writing a story set in the Genaros metaverse. Well, set around it now. It's still only mostly in rough outline format, however. But some rough details might be found on the wiki. Sounds interesting.
Dartz Wrote:And Frigga specifically advertises the realism of real-life exercises
over virtual. Because, even with simmunitions and gentle contact rounds,
you'll still feel the aches and pains for days after. Survival Shot
believes that in a virtual training sim people will be more apt to try
big-consequence tactics they wouldn't in real life. While in a meatspace
exercise, with injury and genuine pain being threatened, people may be a
lot more careful and natural. Because they know it will still hurt in
the morning when the exercise is over. Whether this is true or not would
fill up threads on newsgroups debating the relative merits of each
approach. If it provided useful training... Or even entertainment...
Dartz Wrote:Frigga doesn't use sapient AI's however. TITANIC is a distributed expert
system running on a whole bunch of everything on Frigga, and is
capable of directing the existing drones used quite happily. When I say 'AI' I'm referring to anything from artificial stupidity upwards. An expert system that can run drone bodies around is probably at least as smart as an ant colony.
Dartz Wrote:But if that's what Arther responds with when Frigga issues their RFP,
and the price is right, then he'll get a contract to supply enough to
outfit the OpFor. Very unlikely to be minimum bid, but if you are concerned about up-time and running costs, Arthur's kit is likely to be cheaper on, say, a five-year basis. And, result in less customer complaints.
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There's chunks of it floating around the site too..... mostly related to the opening.
Training-wise..... it'sa debate. I'd like it to remain 'a debate'. Entertainment-wise a virtual system will have the edge, because real-life has limitations virtual worlds don't.
I tend to genrally assume that in Fenspace, any mention of an AI is a sapient intelligence. TITANIC has a lot of processing grunt built into it, but in know way is it truly 'intelligent'. It's just a big-arse computer really, punning on Eclipse Phase TITANs and,well, The Titanic. With all the obvious inference of being something hugely complex, yet oddly vulnerable to lettuce. 'TITANIC is syncing' appears on the monitors when an update to the system is pushed to the individual nodes.
It's a combination of cost and capability. Some will be more capable, but much more expensive. Others might be more hesitant to share the techniques behind construction, which makes onsite maintenance troublesome. And Frigga doesn't meet the security requirements for the real high-end stuff. It's also helpful not to be reliant on one supplier, and one single customer. Or for that matter, one single revenue stream.
Throw in 5 Flint-type Androids named Anri, Sylvie, Meg and Nam, each awakened a month apart throughout 2023.
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Dartz Wrote:It's a combination of cost and capability. Some will be more capable, but much more expensive. Others might be more hesitant to share the techniques behind construction, which makes onsite maintenance troublesome. And Frigga doesn't meet the security requirements for the real high-end stuff. It's also helpful not to be reliant on one supplier, and one single customer. Or for that matter, one single revenue stream. Smart not to be dependent on any one supplier. Arthur is prepared to be flexible, and Wright Frames don't hold too many secrets by this point. Altering the construction materials, there might be some ideas there, but nothing to prevent on-site maintenance.
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I may whack up a quick fic.... giving Ford something to do.
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Dartz Wrote:I may whack up a quick fic.... giving Ford something to do. Sounds fun... May your Muse be kind to you!
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