An open letter to Rush Limbaugh and his listeners from Kevin Dujan

[Logan Darklighter]

Utterly and completely NOT what I was expecting.
My response after reading this has been a stunned "whoa".

[robkelk]

My response is "Your candidate lost the primaries, Mr. Dujan. Get over it, and stop with the mud-slinging."
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Ayiekie]

My response was: "LOL".

While the media was certainly in the tank for Obama during the primaries, and that certainly hurt Hillary, so what? They were in the tank for Obama because he was the more exciting narrative, not because of any nebulous conspiracy. Keeping media coverage positive is a campaign skill, one of many the Hillary team proved to be lacking in.

And as for the horrific left-wing takeover of the Democratic party, god, I only wish there had been. As if there were any significant platform differences between Hillary and Obama anyway.
Edit: Oh, and I loved that this dipshit seriously used Obama's health care project ("rammed through in the dead of night") to show how the Democrats had betrayed their base (which, uh, overwhelmingly supports health care, and specifically supports a considerably stronger health care plan than Obama did). Yeah, because Hillary Clinton would never have gone against tradition to try and get a health care bill passed in America. One would have to go out a limb and say that if someone thinks (Obama's half-assed version of) a public health care option is too liberal, and they support would-be-Roe-vs-Wade-repealer Sarah Palin, then they don't actually ideologically align in any significant way with Hillary Clinton, or the Democratic party in general, and haven't for decades before Obama was ever heard of.

[Dartz]

I find hilarious the idea that being left-wing or having 'socialist' beliefs was un-American.

And anyway, if you don't like the Democratic party in your local area.... don't like the Republican candidate.... found your own damned party. If there're millions of disillusioned voters out there, maybe they might agree with you enough to vote for you.
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[Ayiekie]

It will never cease to amaze (and infuriate) me how a centre-right, authoritarian, business-friendly, tax-cutting, Israel-friendly, surveillance-state-enthusiast like Obama gets described as a "socialist". The word doesn't even have a meaning in America anymore.

[Dartz]

Yup.

He's further right than our current government. Which is pretty much the furthest right party remaining in the country.... funny that. And they're criticised for being too far right and corporate friendly, for bailing out the banks... and so on and so on. If you want socialist... we sent a real Socialist to European Parliament.... and he was TD for this area up until a few years ago.

There was a party that was closer to the US aim of 'privatise everything'. In general, that didn't go well.... and nobody liked them. They dissolved a year or so back.
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[Werehawk]

Left/Right definitions are messy. And the definitions of what is left/center/right shifts depending on who you ask and, they get messier when you try to compare between different countries.

I'm very much a believer that a Pournelle chart makes far more sense than trying to define political positions based on which side of the chamber French legislators sat in the French National Assembly during the French Revolution...

Incidentally in my scale Obama falls left of center...but then that is a U.S. perspective.
--Werehawk--
My mom's brief take on upcoming Guatemalan Elections "In last throes of preelection activities. Much loudspeaker vote pleading."

[Black Aeronaut]

There's also the equally simple Nolan Chart, which is used in the World's Smallest Political Quiz.

BTW: According to the quiz, I'm a Left-Centrist - pretty much middle grounds with a dislike for extremist measures in any direction and an emphasis towards personal freedoms.

[Werehawk]

According to the smallest political quiz on the Nolan chart I'm a Libertarian...however I don't quite agree with how they scored some of the questions.
--Werehawk--
My mom's brief take on upcoming Guatemalan Elections "In last throes of preelection activities. Much loudspeaker vote pleading."

[Logan Darklighter]

Hmm. I appear to be dead center in the Libertarian field. I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that I'm at least semi-libertarian, but I thought I was more toward the conservative shading.
I agree with werehawk. I also think one or two questions are stated in such a way as to encourage a particular answer. The "corporate welfare" question for example.
I think what would be better would be a longer quiz with questions on the same topic stated several different ways. That way the sample size would be larger.

[Jinx999]

"left wing" and "right wing" are both used to describe a fairly random collection of political beliefs that are only lumped together by historical accident. And people also classify political theories like communism and fascism as left and right wing, even though they have no relationship to the US (or British) left and right wing beliefs.