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**robkelk** · 09-23-2025, 11:29 AM

If we only fact-check some people, we leave ourselves open to accusations of unequal treatment.

It's the Politics forum. Expect to be fact-checked.

Norgarth · 09-24-2025, 07:24 AM

Norgarth · 09-25-2025, 08:17 AM

**robkelk** · 09-27-2025, 06:25 AM

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Source

History might not repeat, but it rhymes.

Norgarth · 09-27-2025, 08:01 AM

Norgarth · (This post was last modified: 09-29-2025, 09:21 AM by Norgarth.)

hazard · 09-29-2025, 06:08 PM

(09-29-2025, 09:21 AM)Norgarth Wrote:

Was there any doubt Trump would betray him the moment it was convenient?

Norgarth · 09-30-2025, 08:53 AM

hazard · 09-30-2025, 10:00 PM

(09-30-2025, 08:53 AM)Norgarth Wrote:

I will tell you, you are wrong.

Veterans should not have to fight harder for the benefits that are rightly theirs than they did in war.

But if the government will not give them those benefits without a fight, veterans will fight that hard, and the government had better yield long before that point.

**robkelk** · 10-01-2025, 08:53 AM

(09-30-2025, 10:00 PM)hazard Wrote:
(09-30-2025, 08:53 AM)Norgarth Wrote:
I will tell you, you are wrong.

Veterans should not have to fight harder for the benefits that are rightly theirs than they did in war.

But if the government will not give them those benefits without a fight, veterans will fight that hard, and the government had better yield long before that point.

And there's historical precedent for fighting – the Bonus Army nearly a century ago was the first such fight that came to my mind.

**Labster** · 10-01-2025, 12:35 PM

(09-30-2025, 10:00 PM)hazard Wrote:
(09-30-2025, 08:53 AM)Norgarth Wrote:
I will tell you, you are wrong.

Veterans should not have to fight harder for the benefits that are rightly theirs than they did in war.

But if the government will not give them those benefits without a fight, veterans will fight that hard, and the government had better yield long before that point.

No, the sign says "Tell me 'im wrong", so you should say: "I will tell you, 'e is wrong, guv."

Norgarth · 10-03-2025, 12:39 PM

**robkelk** · (This post was last modified: 10-03-2025, 04:09 PM by robkelk.)

Got a source for that last one? The quote, not the image.

Because David Frum has worked for both the Bush administration and a candidate in the New Democratic Party of Canada (where Bernie Saunders would probably feel at home), when he hasn't been a reporter or an editor. If he doesn't like somebody, it's because he's put some real thought into it. So I'm very interested in learning whether he actually said that.

Dartz · 10-03-2025, 05:58 PM

I saw David Frum and wondered if he was related to John Frum, solely because I had to explain the concept of Cargo Cults to a colleague recently.

/digression

Norgarth · 10-04-2025, 10:41 AM

No real source, say the pic online and thought it summed things up pretty well. Had no clue who David Frum is.

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**robkelk** · 10-04-2025, 11:52 AM

(10-04-2025, 10:41 AM)Norgarth Wrote: No real source, say the pic online and thought it summed things up pretty well. Had no clue who David Frum is.

Drat. And I was hoping it could be sourced back to him, too.

As for who David Frum is, his wikipedia page goes into more detail that I could here.

RMH999 · Yesterday, 09:09 AM

(10-04-2025, 11:52 AM)robkelk Wrote:
(10-04-2025, 10:41 AM)Norgarth Wrote: No real source, say the pic online and thought it summed things up pretty well. Had no clue who David Frum is.

Drat. And I was hoping it could be sourced back to him, too.

As for who David Frum is, his wikipedia page goes into more detail that I could here.

Here's a 2020 X post of David Frum's that mentions the quote.

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1243380670681853956