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  For Bob - So I hope this is okay, but I feel obliged to ask for politeness sake….
Posted by: David Lewis - Yesterday, 05:45 AM - Forum: General DW Chatter - Replies (1)

Me and my friends are going to run a brief mini superhero TTRPG campaign (whilst I set out the latter half of our regular DnD5e campaign), and I’d like to play a character with Doug’s powerset (and maybe big parts of his backstory). 

It won’t be online or broadcast or anything, just a private game, and in the very unlikely event someone were to ask questions I would obviously credit Bob - but we usually hire some artists on Fiverr to do our character designs for reference. 

Can I please have permission to use the character concept? I’ll post any art I get. Don’t be afraid to say no if the idea bothers you for any reason, I would never take offence at you exercising creative control over your own stories. 

(We’ll probably be using either Masks: A New Generation, or Icons TTRPG. Or maybe City Of 


Also sorry for the weird formatting, my new phone is. Is not working wellMists, we’ll see.)

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  The FCC Reinstates Net Neutrality
Posted by: Bob Schroeck - 04-25-2024, 01:18 PM - Forum: Politics and Other Fun - No Replies

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  Image Thread 29
Posted by: robkelk - 04-25-2024, 06:42 AM - Forum: General Chatter - Replies (4)

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"A Full Plankton Moon"

[Image: FullPlantonMoon_Horalek_1022.jpg]

Credit & Copyright: Petr Horálek / Institute of Physics in Opava

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  The show must go on...
Posted by: Sofaspud - 04-09-2024, 10:43 PM - Forum: The Legendary - Replies (1)

... which is why Priss, despite misgivings, has decided to go on tour, with performances planned in Atlas Park, Talos Island, Founder's Falls (if they can get the permits), and Ancient Cimerora*.

(* dates not yet fixed, check your history books and plan to have purchased your tickets before yesterday)

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Illusion/Sonic controller, because I have incurable altitis and also because I don't feel like I have enough support characters yet, and also also because "Priss And Her Replicants" is too long a hero name, so "The Replicants" has to do instead.  It's just a shame that Phantom Army doesn't come until so late in the leveling curve.

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  The Problem of Unicorn Epicycles
Posted by: Aleh - 04-08-2024, 09:13 PM - Forum: Other People's Fanfiction - Replies (15)

So, I recently criticized a Beware of Chicken fanfic (this one) for problems relating to the "Unicorn in the Garden" rule as applied to fanfic.

I later elaborated (on another site, so I'm quoting here), when the author started adding entire multi-paragraph author's notes on the things he was changing in the background. Disregarding some story-specific stuff:

Aleh Wrote:I'm just going to paraphrase what I said over in SB: Why?
 
The "unicorn in the garden rule" is a thing for a reason. You have your premise: Jin attracts Su Ge's attention and stays in the Cloudy Sword Sect as a result.
 
Making the rot worse than it was in canon, changing the backstory with Shen Bu, altering the base cultivation system... just... why? They don't aid the story: they detract from it. You don't need to do any of those things to tell this story. It's just... pointless.
Aleh Wrote:The point is that you're not making your canvas, as you put it. You're borrowing an unused section of Casual's, and that's part of the premise of the story.

Jin, at the start of canon -- and this AU -- is disillusioned with the idea of "seeking the heavens," as you put it. Him coming around to that sort of position isn't the premise -- it's the planned outcome of a character or story arc. It's a destination, not the beginning.

By changing things in the background to contradict canon, you're changing the starting point. You're adding an extra unicorn to the garden, as it were.

This is a problem.
Aleh Wrote:Look to the other AU timelines -- Casualfarmer's, in other words -- to see what I mean. The Dark Meiling timeline changes when Jin never shows up, and thus things start going spectacularly wrong for Meimei, sending her on a vengeance quest. The unicorn there isn't Meimei as a vengeful wandering cultivator -- it's Jin never showing up. Everything else flows from that.

In the SHI timeline, Jin is sent to the SHI instead of the CSS. As a result, he has different experiences, meets different people, goes on different adventures, and eventually adopts a different dao. The unicorn there isn't Jin as a roaming skyship captain -- it's Jin being sent to a different sect. Everything else flows from that.
In the JSYR timeline, Jin decides against going to the Azure Hills and instead settles down somewhere else. This leads to him contracting with a different (and more intact) earth spirit and creating a different sort of "farm" (or ranch). The unicorn there isn't Jin as a rancher. It's Jin settling down somewhere else. Everything else flows from that.

In yours... Su Ge steps in to help Jin, leading to him not staying in the CSS. But then we find out that the situation in the CSS isn't what it was in canon. But then you change the background with Shen Yu and Shen Bu, as well as the overall political situation of the Empire. But then you change the cultivation system itself in ways that contradict canon. So Jin doesn't leave a different sect and situation from canon, leading to him facing problems whose existence contradicts canon, and facing heaven via a different system from the one he abandoned in canon.
Sooner or later, and I'd argue sooner between the two, this stops being a Beware of Chicken fic and simply becomes a fic that's vaguely inspired by Beware of Chicken and is held down by the elements of canon it retains. It's trying to be two different things at once and suffering for it.

Or, to put it a different way, it's chasing two rabbits at the same time, and that's a bad thing.

The reception I got was, in some ways, predictable and rather missed the point. For instance:
Quote:Great argument, now tell similar thing to EVERY SINGLE FANFICTION IN THIS EARTH.
Quote:The beautiful thing about fanfics is that they aren’t canon and don’t have to follow it 100%.

And, of course, it's still attracting people who think they're goddamned telepaths and can address emotions that I didn't express rather than anything I actually said.
Quote:Cope. Seethe, even.

Maybe do some malding while you're at it.

Because this fanfiction that explores the side the verse that the original canon tosses to the wayside, to put frankly, fucks....

But, all that aside, it's got me thinking about my original point... and the general problem of people trying to change some random thing in the setting for the sake of their fanfic.

Namely that any change to the setting might change X, which the author wants, but it'd also logically have impacts other than that -- and the author might not want those. A less-skilled author will run into it head-on and, when it becomes an issue, simply introduce a new change to the setting... adding a new unicorn to their metaphorical garden. Sometimes this can be handled with a degree of grace, but, in the worst-case scenario, this is basically a last-minute ass-pull on the author's part.

The unicorns, in other words, start breeding.

A skilled author, on the other hand, will likely explore the conflict, lampshade the matter, avoid taking the story into a direction where the other impacts matter, adjust how they made the change... or spin the entire concept off into a completely original "thing."

This is what I've taken to calling, at least in my head, the Problem of Unicorn Epicycles, after the "Unicorn in the Garden" rule and a rather famous real scientific problem: sooner or later, as a story concept branches out and grows away from the story that inspired it, the concept stops being for a fanfic and simply becomes a story that's vaguely inspired by its "canon" while being held down by the elements of said canon that it retains.

Thoughts?

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  Another bit from Rei's point of view [Life of Drez]
Posted by: Drezzer - 04-07-2024, 11:53 AM - Forum: Fenspace - No Replies

This one has been simmering for a while. I made a couple passes through it to proof it, and decided to post it finally.

Luna Night...

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  Well. That was fun.
Posted by: Bob Schroeck - 04-05-2024, 01:07 PM - Forum: General Chatter - Replies (4)

At about twenty after ten this morning, local time, we got hit with a magnitude 4.8 earthquake. The epicenter was about 18 miles northwest of us.

It took a minute or so -- about 30 seconds longer than the earthquake lasted -- for us to realize what had happened. We've had a lot of heavy winds the last few days, and we thought we were in some freak windstorm that was trying to tear off the roof, based on the sounds we were hearing. I still ran around the house just to make sure there had been nothing like a tree hitting the roof or anything.

At least this time I noticed the quake. The last time one hit, back in 2011, I utterly failed to notice it at all. I was in the break room of my job at the time, getting coffee, and when I got back to my desk a coworker asked, "did you feel the earthquake?" "What earthquake?" I asked, thinking I was being pranked. But no... Now I can be the one asking. <grin>

EDIT: Just had to add this:

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  Fridge Logic, fanfic edition
Posted by: robkelk - 04-04-2024, 01:13 PM - Forum: Other People's Fanfiction - Replies (3)

A thread for all those things about fan fiction or particular fanfics, you only realized a while after the fact.



There's a comment on My Apartment Manager is not an Isekai Character's list of source works that the Ranma ½ anime goes through 1992 twice. Which makes a certain amount of sense as background for all those fuku fics, if Sailor Moon forgot to include Nerima when she did her big reset at the end of the Dark Kingdom arc.

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  Disney Princesses as Anime Protagonists
Posted by: Bob Schroeck - 04-02-2024, 01:19 PM - Forum: General Chatter - Replies (2)

Here. Some good ideas here. And I literally laughed out loud at the caption on the last one.

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  Harlan Ellison's The Last Dangerous Visions is finally being published.
Posted by: Bob Schroeck - 04-01-2024, 02:06 PM - Forum: General Chatter - Replies (1)

J. Michael Straczynski has finally assembled all the stories and notes Ellison collected over the decades into the book they were meant to be.

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