Posts: 2,616 
	Threads: 109 
	Joined: Oct 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 2
	 
 
	
	
		Quote:robkelk wrote: Charging Bull sculptor accuses NYC of violating his rights with Fearless Girl 
 
I think somebody involved here doesn't understand "death of the artist" or alternative character interpretation (with the bull being the character in question)... 
 
EDIT: Should she stay or should she go? 
This blogger raises some interesting points about the two statues. Their origins and background do add an interesting layer to the story.
   
Ebony the Black Dragon
 http://ebony14.livejournal.com
"Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 28,139 
	Threads: 2,301 
	Joined: Sep 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 21
	 
 
	
	
		My initial reaction -- unchanged by everything I've read so far -- is that an artist has no copyright claim on the setting in which his work is installed.  Otherwise galleries would be neck-deep in lawsuits. 
-- Bob 
--------- 
Then the horns kicked in... 
...and my shoes began to squeak.
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 26,591 
	Threads: 2,111 
	Joined: Feb 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 13
	 
 
	
	
		Ebony Wrote:robkelk Wrote:Charging Bull sculptor accuses NYC of violating his rights with Fearless Girl 
 
I think somebody involved here doesn't understand "death of the artist" or alternative character interpretation (with the bull being the character in question)... 
 
EDIT: Should she stay or should she go? This blogger raises some interesting points about the two statues. Their origins and background do add an interesting layer to the story. Intriguing... Of course, this means that the girl also has some alternative character interpretations.
 -- 
Rob Kelk 
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose  
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of 
the same sovereign, servants of the same law." 
 
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 3,835 
	Threads: 97 
	Joined: May 2012
	
 Reputation: 
 9
	 
 
	
	
		Yeah, there was never any doubt how this forum would feel about fanfiction in bronze. 
The meaning of any artwork is never static; if the meaning never changes, then it's not art.  (Or a true Scotsman.)   Pinkie and The Blue Boy are linked in my mind, even though they were painted by different artists 25 years apart, because the portraits look across a room towards each other.  Did her association with Gainsborough's portrait help to rehabilitate Lawrence's reputation?  It doesn't really matter, because the pairing itself is art, combining a vibrant youthful masculinity with an equally vibrant youthful femininity. 
But if di Modica still owns the Bull, maybe now is the right time for a tour?  I'm sure S.F. would love to have the bovine, maybe even put him up at the Cow Palace. 
-- ∇×V
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 2,616 
	Threads: 109 
	Joined: Oct 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 2
	 
 
	
	
		Quote:vorticity wrote: Yeah, there was never any doubt how this forum would feel about fanfiction in bronze. 
The meaning of any artwork is never static; if the meaning never changes, then it's not art.  (Or a true Scotsman.)  Pinkie and The Blue Boy are linked in my mind, even though they were painted by different artists 25 years apart, because the portraits look across a room towards each other.  Did her association with Gainsborough's portrait help to rehabilitate Lawrence's reputation?  It doesn't really matter, because the pairing itself is art, combining a vibrant youthful masculinity with an equally vibrant youthful femininity. 
But if di Modica still owns the Bull, maybe now is the right time for a tour?  I'm sure S.F. would love to have the bovine, maybe even put him up at the Cow Palace.  
Fort Worth. For the Stock Show. Unfortunately, the thing does weigh 7000 pounds. That's not something you can pack up and cart off easily.
   
Ebony the Black Dragon
 http://ebony14.livejournal.com
"Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 2,003 
	Threads: 4 
	Joined: Sep 2012
	
 Reputation: 
 0
	 
 
	
	
		To be honest, while I can admire the skill with which the McCann advertising company subverted the intentions of the bronze bull sculpture, the fact that it's an advertisement sending a political and corporate message that inhibits the proper functioning of the Charging Bull makes me want to smack McCann and State Street Global Advisors with a massive fine each. 
 
And the fact that Di Modica still owns the bull does mean he has a say in how it's depicted. He might not necessarily have a strong case, but he does have one IMO.
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 28,139 
	Threads: 2,301 
	Joined: Sep 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 21
	 
 
	
	
		He does not own a public space.  He has no right to dictate what else may be there.  It's a simple as that.  If it so damages his precious artistic integrity, let him take his bull and go home. 
-- Bob 
--------- 
Then the horns kicked in... 
...and my shoes began to squeak.
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 145 
	Threads: 17 
	Joined: Feb 2011
	
 Reputation: 
 0
	 
 
	
	
		http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon ... -1.4073018 Something (I assume) you don't see every day - a herd of cattle following a beaver.
 
Mark
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 26,591 
	Threads: 2,111 
	Joined: Feb 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 13
	 
 
	
	
		Wild turkey turning heads in downtown Ottawa
Somebody's already made the obligatory Les Nesman reference.
 -- 
Rob Kelk 
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose  
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of 
the same sovereign, servants of the same law." 
 
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 2,616 
	Threads: 109 
	Joined: Oct 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 2
	 
 
	
	
		Quote:robkelk wrote: Wild turkey turning heads in downtown Ottawa 
 
Somebody's already made the obligatory Les Nesman reference. 
Mr. Carlson was correct in thinking that turkeys can fly. Wild turkeys can and do. Domesticated, Thanksgiving turkeys, on the other hand, fly - to quote Douglas Adams - much in the way that bricks don't.
   
Ebony the Black Dragon
 http://ebony14.livejournal.com
"Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 26,591 
	Threads: 2,111 
	Joined: Feb 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 13
	 
 
	
	
		It must be a slow news day, eh? 
Origins of 'eh': How 2 little letters came to define Canadians
(We might want to grab that article's image for the  SCTV page on ATT, eh?)
 -- 
Rob Kelk 
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose  
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of 
the same sovereign, servants of the same law." 
 
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 28,139 
	Threads: 2,301 
	Joined: Sep 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 21
	 
 
	
	
		Oh, yes, indeed, we might... 
-- Bob 
--------- 
Then the horns kicked in... 
...and my shoes began to squeak.
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 26,591 
	Threads: 2,111 
	Joined: Feb 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 13
	 
 
	
	
		Italy giving away 103 buildings (inlcuding castles) [sic]
 
Two catches: - You have to turn the property into some kind of tourist attraction.
 
 
- The country is looking for younger entrepreneurs (under 40).
 
 
 
-- 
Rob Kelk 
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose  
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of 
the same sovereign, servants of the same law." 
 
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 28,139 
	Threads: 2,301 
	Joined: Sep 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 21
	 
 
	
	
		Well, crap.  That second point cuts Peg and me out of the deal. 
-- Bob 
--------- 
Then the horns kicked in... 
...and my shoes began to squeak.
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 26,591 
	Threads: 2,111 
	Joined: Feb 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 13
	 
 
	
	
		It was 80 years ago this month... 
CBC:  Dreams in flames: The airship Hindenburg and its captain, my great-grandfather
-- 
Rob Kelk 
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose  
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of 
the same sovereign, servants of the same law." 
 
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 28,139 
	Threads: 2,301 
	Joined: Sep 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 21
	 
 
	
	
		And that happened  http://www.google.com/maps/dir/409+Map ... 3423?hl=en]less than a mile and a half from the house where I grew up.  The Hindenburg was kind of like a pervasive legend/myth in Lakehurst while I was growing up.  If my mom were still alive, she'd've been interested in that article, even in her dementia.
 
Peg and I have actually stood on the site, where there is a memorial which, oddly for something on a military base, is not maintained by the military. 
-- Bob 
--------- 
Then the horns kicked in... 
...and my shoes began to squeak.
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 2,219 
	Threads: 134 
	Joined: Jun 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 2
	 
 
	
	
		Hunh.  Now I wonder if that anniversary  inspired the background gag in  Girl Genius yesterday:   an advertising poster on a wall behind the villain is for a perfume ... Eau de Humanity.    
Edit:  Applied new link provided by Inquisitive Raven.  Thanks; I should've realized it would do that. 
----- 
Big Brother is watching  you.  And  damn, you are so bloody  BORING.
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 599 
	Threads: 11 
	Joined: Sep 2008
	
 Reputation: 
 1
	 
 
	
	
		Umm, your link points to the most recent comic, which has updated since you posted your reply. You want your link to go  here.
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 26,591 
	Threads: 2,111 
	Joined: Feb 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 13
	 
 
	
	
		Fire at a marijuana manufacturer brought "under control within three minutes".
I guess some things just shouldn't go [size=smaller] ... (removes glasses) ...[/size] up in smoke.
 -- 
Rob Kelk 
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose  
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of 
the same sovereign, servants of the same law." 
 
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 145 
	Threads: 17 
	Joined: Feb 2011
	
 Reputation: 
 0
	 
 
	
	
		Bin man collected thrown away books and starts library 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40173423
Mark
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 26,591 
	Threads: 2,111 
	Joined: Feb 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 13
	 
 
	
	
		Man who mowed lawn with tornado behind him says he 'was keeping an eye on it' 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/t ... -1.4145466
-- 
Rob Kelk 
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose  
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of 
the same sovereign, servants of the same law." 
 
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 2,616 
	Threads: 109 
	Joined: Oct 2002
	
 Reputation: 
 2
	 
 
	
	
		Quote:robkelk wrote: Man who mowed lawn with tornado behind him says he 'was keeping an eye on it'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/t ... -1.4145466 
I can respect the man's aplomb, but as someone who's lived through tornadoes, that was a really, really stupid thing to do. If it was farther away than it looked as the man said, then it was larger than it looked as well, which means that it was higher on the Fujita scale and more capable of doing damage. Tornadoes bounce, based on the weather patterns that form them and the land underneath him. "Keeping an eye on it" would have given him little or no time if it had veered or shifted position.
   
Ebony the Black Dragon
 http://ebony14.livejournal.com
"Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 3,835 
	Threads: 97 
	Joined: May 2012
	
 Reputation: 
 9
	 
 
	
	
		I feel like this is a metaphor for Canadians looking over the fence towards the United States. 
-- ∇×V
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 26,591 
	Threads: 2,111 
	Joined: Feb 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 13
	 
 
	
	
		We have a different metaphor for that... 
http://www.parli.ca/the-elephant-and-the-mouse/
-- 
Rob Kelk 
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose  
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of 
the same sovereign, servants of the same law." 
 
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
	 
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 2,219 
	Threads: 134 
	Joined: Jun 2005
	
 Reputation: 
 2
	 
 
	
	
		What does it say about me that until I read the accompanying text, I was angry at  this guy for videoing the shark instead of doing something to help it?  (The text reveals the shark  wasn't stranded.) 
----- 
Little-known fact:  "Australia" is actually an abbreviated form.  The land's  full name is "Aauuuggghhhh AAUUGGHHHHHstralia ." 
----- 
Big Brother is watching  you.  And  damn, you are so bloody  BORING.
	  
	
	
	
		
	 
 
 
	 
 |