Honor Harrington pretty much bangs right along all my criteria and so does the more recent supporting character Victor Cachat, but I'm actuallty having trouble thinking of another who isn't iffy myself. If it'd ended at the Gaara rescue arc, I'd have said Haruno Sakura, but she's been shuffled off to the margins again ever since. Naruto himself now that he's (in a more literal than usual way) made the fox's power his own instead of just letting it take over when he gets in a tight spot is pretty well in there. Sasuke would be, except he's a villain. Hermione fits the bill. If his 7th year was actually on camera, Neville probably would have too, and Ginny.
I'm realising just how tightly I've focused my reading/etc. lately... It's been so long since I read anything but fanfic, I'm haviong trouble remembering the details of old favorite characters.
Ranma, not. Never does anything unless forced or in pure self interest, he''s more like a cat. Just don't tell him I said so.
Mowgli (the orignal literary version) qualifies pretty well I think.
the Ghostbusters (original) did pretty well, taken as a team. The only thing in their way is that they're doing it as a business, but soldiers, police, and firefighters all get paid too, and just acting in the line of duty are apt to fill out the list.
As to using tools - I never said a hero had to make all their own gear, just that having an I Win button handed to them without working for it is not heroic. You know, researching and questing for the Sword of Plot Resoltion, finally wresting it from the jaws of a ravenous guardian electro-zombie space dinosaur, rather than stubbing your toe on it. Harry using the snake fang is valid becasue he fought the sanke to get it, even if the snake was just an artificially bred tool.
Meh. The rest of your argument just makes me froth and want to say you're making the things I said say something else, which means it's time to declare a victory and move on as internet debates go.
- CD, You win. I win. We win! Someone call Pinkie Pie, it's time for a victory party!
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"Anko, what you do in your free time is your own choice. Use it wisely. And if you do not use it wisely, make sure you thoroughly enjoy whatever unwise thing you are doing." - HymnOfRagnorok as Orochimaru at SpaceBattles
woot Med. Eng., verb, 1st & 3rd pers. prsnt. sg. know, knows
I'm realising just how tightly I've focused my reading/etc. lately... It's been so long since I read anything but fanfic, I'm haviong trouble remembering the details of old favorite characters.
Ranma, not. Never does anything unless forced or in pure self interest, he''s more like a cat. Just don't tell him I said so.
Mowgli (the orignal literary version) qualifies pretty well I think.
the Ghostbusters (original) did pretty well, taken as a team. The only thing in their way is that they're doing it as a business, but soldiers, police, and firefighters all get paid too, and just acting in the line of duty are apt to fill out the list.
As to using tools - I never said a hero had to make all their own gear, just that having an I Win button handed to them without working for it is not heroic. You know, researching and questing for the Sword of Plot Resoltion, finally wresting it from the jaws of a ravenous guardian electro-zombie space dinosaur, rather than stubbing your toe on it. Harry using the snake fang is valid becasue he fought the sanke to get it, even if the snake was just an artificially bred tool.
Meh. The rest of your argument just makes me froth and want to say you're making the things I said say something else, which means it's time to declare a victory and move on as internet debates go.
- CD, You win. I win. We win! Someone call Pinkie Pie, it's time for a victory party!
--
"Anko, what you do in your free time is your own choice. Use it wisely. And if you do not use it wisely, make sure you thoroughly enjoy whatever unwise thing you are doing." - HymnOfRagnorok as Orochimaru at SpaceBattles
woot Med. Eng., verb, 1st & 3rd pers. prsnt. sg. know, knows