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Pope-a-Dope
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks!
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The problem with that is that those values had to come from a religious source.
No.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Many animals - dolphins, for instance - have been observed showing compassion towards members of their species, and even towards other species (such as humans).
Dolphins don't worship at any temples I'm aware of.
Babies and toddlers are also quite capable of acts of selflessness and pleasure in the happiness of others. They are not cognizant of any religion.
Primates (including humans) and many other animals are gregarious, social creatures. It predates any sort of human society, including religion; indeed, it predates humanity.
Kindly stop implying that moral values come from religion. They don't. That's insulting bullshit, and it's often using by certain religious individuals to insinuate that nonreligious people are morally inferior.
You're also putting the cart before the horse. That the Code of Hammurabi indeed mentions his anointment by the gods to dictate laws is rather more reflective of the legitimacy religion can lend to secular authority than that the gods Anu and Bel were the source of the king's notions on what was or was not moral.
Your notions on AIDS in Africa also miss the point. Abstinence-only education doesn't work. Period. It doesn't work in the United States, as any number of studies have shown, and it does not work in Africa, even though many African nations are per capita among the most devout Christians on Earth - something I know from personal experience, as well.
People have sex.
It's the most basic biological urge. It is the entire biological reason you live. Even the most devout beliefs and a lifetime of dedication often fail against the power of the most basic biological urge - simply look at how many priests have been caught having broken celibacy vows. What chance do millions upon millions of teenagers who lack such convictions have?
The AIDS plague in Africa is one of the most horrific humanitarian disasters in the entire history of humanity. The death toll, already horrific, is blossoming to levels that will dwarf anything in history, including both world wars and the Black Death.
That the United States has a standing policy of cutting off humanitarian aid to regions which do not exclusively teach abstinence education (not merely include and encourage it, but teach it and only it and do not provide any other options) goes beyond ill-advised and quite frankly into a monstrous crime against humanity.
That people's lives could have been saved - and not a few people - by the availability of condoms and effective education on birth control, but they have instead suffered and died because a powerful lobby in the world's most powerful nation would rather withhold aid money than allow them to be taught about and provided with access to STD-blocking contraception is.... there aren't words strong enough to describe it. That you defend such a policy - even implicitly - in the same post where you argue religion is the source of all ethics is a bitter irony, even if the two issues are not directly related.
What god do you believe in that would rather people die horribly than use a condom? I would have no respect for such a being even if it could be absolutely proven to exist. There's things a hell of a lot more important than an obscure passage in a ancient religious text that condemns masturbation, and human life is most certainly one of them.
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Pope-a-Dope - by Rev Dark - 04-12-2007, 01:16 AM
Re: Pope-a-Dope - by Fidoohki - 04-12-2007, 03:25 PM
Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Rev Dark - 04-12-2007, 06:09 PM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Fidoohki - 04-13-2007, 02:40 PM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Epsilon - 04-13-2007, 04:07 PM
Rebuttal - by Rev Dark - 04-13-2007, 04:13 PM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Ayiekie - 04-13-2007, 07:33 PM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Fidoohki - 04-15-2007, 05:19 AM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Epsilon - 04-15-2007, 06:51 AM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Ayiekie - 04-15-2007, 07:10 AM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by jpub - 04-16-2007, 08:23 PM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Fidoohki - 04-17-2007, 09:40 PM
Re: Sacred cow? Mmmm. Steaks! - by Epsilon - 04-18-2007, 12:45 AM
Tell you? Of course I will. - by Rev Dark - 04-18-2007, 02:48 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by CattyNebulart - 04-22-2007, 08:21 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by jpub - 04-24-2007, 10:26 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Kokuten - 04-25-2007, 12:04 AM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Fidoohki - 04-26-2007, 08:27 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Valles - 04-26-2007, 09:14 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by rmthorn - 04-26-2007, 11:39 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Ayiekie - 04-27-2007, 04:29 AM
Re: Pope-a-Dope - by Kokuten - 04-27-2007, 05:04 AM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Fidoohki - 04-27-2007, 08:57 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Epsilon - 04-27-2007, 10:02 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Fidoohki - 04-28-2007, 07:45 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Kokuten - 04-28-2007, 08:51 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Fidoohki - 04-28-2007, 10:14 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Kokuten - 04-28-2007, 10:28 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Fidoohki - 04-28-2007, 10:43 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Fidoohki - 04-28-2007, 10:44 PM
Fuck you - by Epsilon - 04-28-2007, 11:27 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by Kokuten - 04-28-2007, 11:32 PM
Re: Tell you? Of course I will. - by rmthorn - 04-28-2007, 11:38 PM
Re: Pope-a-Dope - by Morganite - 04-29-2007, 07:55 AM
Re: Pope-a-Dope - by Kokuten - 04-29-2007, 08:23 AM
Re: Pope-a-Dope - by Epsilon - 04-29-2007, 11:02 AM
Re: Pope-a-Dope - by Morganite - 04-29-2007, 08:04 PM
Back from vacation - by Rev Dark - 04-30-2007, 03:53 AM
Re: Back from vacation - by Fidoohki - 05-05-2007, 09:11 PM
Faith - it is what's for dinner. - by Rev Dark - 05-06-2007, 03:39 PM
Re: Faith - it is what's for dinner. - by Fidoohki - 05-10-2007, 08:36 AM
Re: You will have to ask more precise questions. - by Fidoohki - 05-10-2007, 03:32 PM
Re: I am a pineapple - by Angryoptimist - 05-11-2007, 09:56 PM
Re: I am a pineapple - by Kokuten - 05-24-2007, 07:49 AM
Re: I am a pineapple - by Fidoohki - 05-25-2007, 05:42 PM
Re: I am a pineapple - by Kokuten - 05-25-2007, 06:59 PM
Re: I am a pineapple - by Fidoohki - 05-25-2007, 10:18 PM
Re: I am a pineapple - by rmthorn - 05-25-2007, 11:49 PM

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