Pascal's Wager exemplifies not acting in good faith. As the article I linked to you pointed out, someone who does good things for fear of God is not taking any sort of moral highground at all. A calculated weighing of the risks of believing in a god versus not believing in one is the very antithesis of "good faith", and if you believe in God, it seems odd you believe he'd reward such calculation.
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I did read that and it gt me to thinking that there is a fundemental difference between 'religious' belief and
'Church' belief. The trouble is sure one can do good things
because it is the right thing to do but there are people
that do good things because they don't want for
face the consequences of not doing them. So if you remove
consequences would these people be doing that same thing?
Unlikely. As sad as it is some people need the stick to do
good. That's the real world for you.
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1) If everyone practiced abstinence, the human race would end.
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You are smarter than this answer Ayiekie. You know what I
mean by abstinacne. Shame on you.
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2) Why the hell should anybody of a reasonable age have to practice abstinence or die horribly? Why should they be given inaccurate information and kept from possibly life-saving birth control methods?
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Okay let's get a few points straight:
1) I'm not against condoms. I don't care of you use them or
not. It's your choice.
2)Abstinance is a better contreceptive than condoms. 100% fact.
3) I object to religious organizations being force to hand out
condoms. Period.
With those out of the way let me ask this:
What is a reasonable age to you? I think 18 + is reasonable
to me.
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Kindly explain exactly what you mean.
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Through observations and study you could get the
results you quoted from chimps and dolphins but who in
ancient times would have done this with dolphins or even
been able to do this? Highly unlikely. Chimps on the
other hand is possible but again just like a civil war
missle ((mythbusters built one using stuff that was around
during the civil war era)) just because it was possible
doesn't mean it happened.
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Hence morality starting from Reglion is correct. IMO
anyway.
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Prove it. Peer-reviewed scientific studies, please
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Try this:
Hence my opinion that morality started through religion
is most likely true.
As for proof I haven't found anything that states
that it is not true. Like I've said before I am not a pro
debator so i use absolutes when I shouldn't. I'm trying to
correct that though.
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As has been pointed out to you many times, you can't prove the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist. You can't prove anything
doesn't exist. Does that mean everything that has ever been conceived is real?
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Wanna bet? Any rational person can put a childs tooth under a pillow. lock the room up tight. and go in in the morning to see that the tooth is still there. I pretty much just proved it
right there. It's a difference on philosphy. You seems to see
the world as fake unless it is proven to you it is real. Have you ever been to france? How do you know it is real? Ridiculous premise but it is an extreme example of your viewpoint. Which
is fine. nothing wrong with that.
I live by everything is possible til proven different though
with a bit of common sense and logic thrown in. Sort of a
half empty/half full thing.
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Quote:
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And letting the goverment teach your children any better?
That is asking to turn them into fascists..or worse.
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So, since the government has been setting public school curriculums for as long as everyone in the US has been alive, what you are saying is that nearly everyone in the US is a fascist?
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Because the Goverment is not the only input on it and it is
mitigated by family and society's views. As stupid as it is,
the evolution debate is a prime example of that. Look at
the lawsuits against it. Imagine if it was something more
important. probably near riotous levels of objections.
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As for what you pointed out on how the US conducts
its' aid distribution I suggest you take it up with them.
Though the more I read about it the more I find it
disturbing since they shouldn't be adding religious
restrictions onto it to begin with.Now if the distribution
was through religious conduits then there might be a
point but they shouldn't even be doing that.
Also i suggest you check out the exact amounts
sent over to africa instead of the precentages. It
puts the US up there in the to 5 at least as I found out
in a previous post.
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Why abstinance doesn't work? poor teaching of it? the
constant bonbardment of the beleif that people are
not responsible for their actions? lack of personal discipline?
breakdown of the family unit? breakdown of religious belief?
Could be all of those.
---------------------------------------------
I did read that and it gt me to thinking that there is a fundemental difference between 'religious' belief and
'Church' belief. The trouble is sure one can do good things
because it is the right thing to do but there are people
that do good things because they don't want for
face the consequences of not doing them. So if you remove
consequences would these people be doing that same thing?
Unlikely. As sad as it is some people need the stick to do
good. That's the real world for you.
-----------------------------------------
1) If everyone practiced abstinence, the human race would end.
----------------------------------------
You are smarter than this answer Ayiekie. You know what I
mean by abstinacne. Shame on you.
---------------------------------------
2) Why the hell should anybody of a reasonable age have to practice abstinence or die horribly? Why should they be given inaccurate information and kept from possibly life-saving birth control methods?
-------------------------------------
Okay let's get a few points straight:
1) I'm not against condoms. I don't care of you use them or
not. It's your choice.
2)Abstinance is a better contreceptive than condoms. 100% fact.
3) I object to religious organizations being force to hand out
condoms. Period.
With those out of the way let me ask this:
What is a reasonable age to you? I think 18 + is reasonable
to me.
--------------------------------
Kindly explain exactly what you mean.
--------------------------------
Through observations and study you could get the
results you quoted from chimps and dolphins but who in
ancient times would have done this with dolphins or even
been able to do this? Highly unlikely. Chimps on the
other hand is possible but again just like a civil war
missle ((mythbusters built one using stuff that was around
during the civil war era)) just because it was possible
doesn't mean it happened.
-----------------------------------------
Hence morality starting from Reglion is correct. IMO
anyway.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Prove it. Peer-reviewed scientific studies, please
----------------------------------------------
Try this:
Hence my opinion that morality started through religion
is most likely true.
As for proof I haven't found anything that states
that it is not true. Like I've said before I am not a pro
debator so i use absolutes when I shouldn't. I'm trying to
correct that though.
------------------------------------
As has been pointed out to you many times, you can't prove the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist. You can't prove anything
doesn't exist. Does that mean everything that has ever been conceived is real?
------------------------------------
Wanna bet? Any rational person can put a childs tooth under a pillow. lock the room up tight. and go in in the morning to see that the tooth is still there. I pretty much just proved it
right there. It's a difference on philosphy. You seems to see
the world as fake unless it is proven to you it is real. Have you ever been to france? How do you know it is real? Ridiculous premise but it is an extreme example of your viewpoint. Which
is fine. nothing wrong with that.
I live by everything is possible til proven different though
with a bit of common sense and logic thrown in. Sort of a
half empty/half full thing.
--------------------------------
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And letting the goverment teach your children any better?
That is asking to turn them into fascists..or worse.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So, since the government has been setting public school curriculums for as long as everyone in the US has been alive, what you are saying is that nearly everyone in the US is a fascist?
---------------------------------------------
Because the Goverment is not the only input on it and it is
mitigated by family and society's views. As stupid as it is,
the evolution debate is a prime example of that. Look at
the lawsuits against it. Imagine if it was something more
important. probably near riotous levels of objections.
-------------------------------------------
As for what you pointed out on how the US conducts
its' aid distribution I suggest you take it up with them.
Though the more I read about it the more I find it
disturbing since they shouldn't be adding religious
restrictions onto it to begin with.Now if the distribution
was through religious conduits then there might be a
point but they shouldn't even be doing that.
Also i suggest you check out the exact amounts
sent over to africa instead of the precentages. It
puts the US up there in the to 5 at least as I found out
in a previous post.
-----------------------------
Why abstinance doesn't work? poor teaching of it? the
constant bonbardment of the beleif that people are
not responsible for their actions? lack of personal discipline?
breakdown of the family unit? breakdown of religious belief?
Could be all of those.