First off, I specifically said I've heard of one case. It was a caller into the Rush Limbaugh show (knows dismissal coming for that reference). The female caller stated that her female friend had to attend a showing of the Al Gore movie or her kid lost grade points of some level (she wouldnt have watched it otherwise). When the woman came back from the movie she was in a panic about the coming apocalypse and would not calm down for days. She called in for help on how to get the woman to stop panicking. (In case I somehow gets it into there heads, I never said Al Gore was forcing kids to watch his movie personally, I said that teachers were showing it to kids.)
The movie itself is in the same line as 'Captain Planet and the Planeteers'. By this I mean that it is designed to show things from the environmentalist view point and make things as scary as possible, to scare people into doing what ever it is the movie/show tells you to do. It is a movie talking about doomsday scenarios.
So what we have is young children (who mostly believe that whatever the teachers are telling them is the Gospel truth) being shown a movie about how man is bringing about the end of the world. This movie sends adults into panic. Now small children are being shown the movie... as something to learn in school.
When you start showing small children political movies and telling the kids these movies are fact, I remember something. In Cuba, after Castro took over, he had section of class that did the following. First, the kids are told to pray to God for candy, while they had their heads down on the desks. Predictably nothing happened. Next the kids repeated the same steps, only they prayed to Castro. Magically candy rained down from the ceiling (aided by the people who moved the ceiling panels and threw it into the holes, then closed them before the kids could look up), proving Castro was the source of great things.
As for Al Gore himself... First time I clearly remember Al Gore was during Clinton's first swearing in speech. I was watching Comedy Central and they kept the camera on him the entire time... he wasn't moving. He blinked like 5 times during two hours and only moved when it was time to stand up and clap. He stood up, clapped for the duration required, and sat down and didn't move again till he needed to clap again. He didn't fidget, he didn't move his feet, he just sat their unmoving, with the same flat expression on his face. This was creepy.
The next thing he did that stuck in my mind was the ranting about the spotted owls. How they couldn't adapt and would die if the logging industry touched certain trees. Trees they would replace... it was all about the evil loggers. Then the owls decided that they could just move in elsewhere... including into a stores sign. This killed the issue for the most part, though they made a kids about standing in front of bulldozers, to save the ground owls, movie a few years ago. Which flopped. I know it was painted as logs verses jobs issue, but for me it was moment in Gore history combined with owls ignoring the self proclaimed protectors and moving on with their lives.
Besides random championing of environmentalist causes, I remember him during the 2000 election. Mainly because he did this stunt. I used the page as it has the clearest example of him doing something so two-faced. If you can't tell I mean the photo op bit with the kayak.
I had a hardcore Democrat professor, when I say that I mean to the point of asking for people to come down and provide bodies so he could be one of official people that casts the vote to pick Kerry as the 2004 democratic candidate (at the end of the primaries) in class. He wasn't a bad guy and he always made sure to literally shout things, with cupped hands, like 'My opinion, my opinion, don't fire me Mitt {Romney}' when he was speaking politics. He told us one day that he thought the Supreme Court's dissuasion of the 2000 election was on the level of bad decisions with Jim Crow. Which prompted me to see what exactly this decision entailed... which turned out to be that in Florida they literally kept changing the law to get new ways to recount the votes... so the SC ruling was that all law changes made after such and such a time, only effect the next vote. In short Al Gore let people try to repeatedly rewrite the law to make him win an election. He never did win a recount, but his willingness to let that kind of thing go on for his personal benefit amazed me. Then he disappeared for a while and came back with the 'rugged, bearded, mountain man' look.
AL Gore is also a proponent of things that have many names, but I'll go with 'pollution credits'. What these are is you pay a certain amount of cash to buy the right to pollute from someone who didn't pollute as much as these credits say they could. So what you do when you buy a pollution credit is pay someone else to get rid of sin of polluting X amount, by buying a portion of their non-polluting goodness. I use the word 'sin' because I've heard of this being used before... when the Catholic Church was selling indulgences. Indulgences were markers that absolved sins in exchange for monetary contributions to the Church. So Al Gore is promoting the idea that you can be eco-friendly if you just pay enough money out, regardless of how much you pollute/sin. Which is just like the Kyoto Protocols punishment pay outs, in both practice and in that you dont have to stop sinning/polluting only have to pay out enough cash to be forgiven.
So when I see Al Gore, I see a creepy, two-faced weasel... that is promoting the revival of one of the single most screwed up things the Catholic Church ever did. Something so screwed up that it literally created the Protestant religions (Well that and selling endless pieces of the true cross and thousands of pairs of Jesus' sandals).
When I see a panic inducing movie, hosted by someone like Al Gore, shown to kids, as a teaching aid... I don't care if its on extreme pong, why you shouldn't lick the electric fence, or driving safety tips, I don't want to it shown. Now add in that its a politically motivate film and it loses more points. Then we get to it being shown by teachers, on their own without being ordered. Almost any teacher who chooses this film on their own, thinks it is a good movie. If not for content, then for example as one of a series of movies with the intention comparing said movies, or studying the movie in a sociology/film class. The problem is when I say kids, I mean grade schoolers are being shown this movie.
That they rolled a 1 on the d20 of fate for the shuttle is irrelevant to me, it still happened. The 70 of 120 statistic is great, however how many flights in did they change the foam to what? How much foam fell off, during each mission? Which foam fell off at what rate? Factors like these change things and in truth are mostly irrelevant to my main point, about alternatives not being good no the sole virtue of being alternatives. Which is related to why I decided your being trolls.
You come into the thread, then start with the venom filled, shunning attacks. By this I mean your seem far more interested in invalidating/insulting (hating) other people, than adding to the conversation. Your comments are laden with person attacks, mocking, and missing the main point to latch onto minor points, as a means of discrediting other posters. I typed in a narrow viewpoint that someone specifically asked for an explanation of, with a note that is what I was doing. Then for the second time this thread I got declared a tin-foil hat wearing madman and conspiracy theorist (the first time was so out of context, that someone usually agreeing with you countered it). Its to the point if I dont constantly make specific comments every three lines as to what Im doing, you take whatever I say wildly out of context. At which point you start with the attacking mostly by declaring me a moron and a madman for soething blown far out of proportion.
On the first page, you can see where I was told that because I dont have like 9 degrees in climatology I cant comment and should shut up and go away. Which is part of the method of You havent experienced X personally, therefore have no right to comment strategy employed by left leaning people (at least that is where I have seen it exclusively). Then came taking my out of context and posting a mocking post that added to nothing, but more mocking. Look back, these things are a matter of written record.
No I dont consider generally questioning what Im saying, or asking for clarification as trolling. However taking things out of context to the point you two are is either trolling or a sign that your ill capable of thinking coherently Epsilon at least Hybrid Theory to disprove that excuse.
Anyway, it brings up entirely different issues, why is NASA being so haphazard with their maintenance of the shuttles in the first place. They are pumping out updates on their Ozone Hole stats, but not bothering to do there main PR/none pure research job. Some things seems off in NASA, which adds to my leeriness of them.
Lastly, does anyone know if there are statistics on how much effect ice breaker ships mowing their way around the world are having on the ice shelves? That Russia has for a few decades been mulching ice so they can use boats year round instead of only 2 or 3 months a year. Other countries are doing the same thing and research ships are carving their way all over the ice caps. I saw this thing on icebreakers ships and got curios.
The movie itself is in the same line as 'Captain Planet and the Planeteers'. By this I mean that it is designed to show things from the environmentalist view point and make things as scary as possible, to scare people into doing what ever it is the movie/show tells you to do. It is a movie talking about doomsday scenarios.
So what we have is young children (who mostly believe that whatever the teachers are telling them is the Gospel truth) being shown a movie about how man is bringing about the end of the world. This movie sends adults into panic. Now small children are being shown the movie... as something to learn in school.
When you start showing small children political movies and telling the kids these movies are fact, I remember something. In Cuba, after Castro took over, he had section of class that did the following. First, the kids are told to pray to God for candy, while they had their heads down on the desks. Predictably nothing happened. Next the kids repeated the same steps, only they prayed to Castro. Magically candy rained down from the ceiling (aided by the people who moved the ceiling panels and threw it into the holes, then closed them before the kids could look up), proving Castro was the source of great things.
As for Al Gore himself... First time I clearly remember Al Gore was during Clinton's first swearing in speech. I was watching Comedy Central and they kept the camera on him the entire time... he wasn't moving. He blinked like 5 times during two hours and only moved when it was time to stand up and clap. He stood up, clapped for the duration required, and sat down and didn't move again till he needed to clap again. He didn't fidget, he didn't move his feet, he just sat their unmoving, with the same flat expression on his face. This was creepy.
The next thing he did that stuck in my mind was the ranting about the spotted owls. How they couldn't adapt and would die if the logging industry touched certain trees. Trees they would replace... it was all about the evil loggers. Then the owls decided that they could just move in elsewhere... including into a stores sign. This killed the issue for the most part, though they made a kids about standing in front of bulldozers, to save the ground owls, movie a few years ago. Which flopped. I know it was painted as logs verses jobs issue, but for me it was moment in Gore history combined with owls ignoring the self proclaimed protectors and moving on with their lives.
Besides random championing of environmentalist causes, I remember him during the 2000 election. Mainly because he did this stunt. I used the page as it has the clearest example of him doing something so two-faced. If you can't tell I mean the photo op bit with the kayak.
I had a hardcore Democrat professor, when I say that I mean to the point of asking for people to come down and provide bodies so he could be one of official people that casts the vote to pick Kerry as the 2004 democratic candidate (at the end of the primaries) in class. He wasn't a bad guy and he always made sure to literally shout things, with cupped hands, like 'My opinion, my opinion, don't fire me Mitt {Romney}' when he was speaking politics. He told us one day that he thought the Supreme Court's dissuasion of the 2000 election was on the level of bad decisions with Jim Crow. Which prompted me to see what exactly this decision entailed... which turned out to be that in Florida they literally kept changing the law to get new ways to recount the votes... so the SC ruling was that all law changes made after such and such a time, only effect the next vote. In short Al Gore let people try to repeatedly rewrite the law to make him win an election. He never did win a recount, but his willingness to let that kind of thing go on for his personal benefit amazed me. Then he disappeared for a while and came back with the 'rugged, bearded, mountain man' look.
AL Gore is also a proponent of things that have many names, but I'll go with 'pollution credits'. What these are is you pay a certain amount of cash to buy the right to pollute from someone who didn't pollute as much as these credits say they could. So what you do when you buy a pollution credit is pay someone else to get rid of sin of polluting X amount, by buying a portion of their non-polluting goodness. I use the word 'sin' because I've heard of this being used before... when the Catholic Church was selling indulgences. Indulgences were markers that absolved sins in exchange for monetary contributions to the Church. So Al Gore is promoting the idea that you can be eco-friendly if you just pay enough money out, regardless of how much you pollute/sin. Which is just like the Kyoto Protocols punishment pay outs, in both practice and in that you dont have to stop sinning/polluting only have to pay out enough cash to be forgiven.
So when I see Al Gore, I see a creepy, two-faced weasel... that is promoting the revival of one of the single most screwed up things the Catholic Church ever did. Something so screwed up that it literally created the Protestant religions (Well that and selling endless pieces of the true cross and thousands of pairs of Jesus' sandals).
When I see a panic inducing movie, hosted by someone like Al Gore, shown to kids, as a teaching aid... I don't care if its on extreme pong, why you shouldn't lick the electric fence, or driving safety tips, I don't want to it shown. Now add in that its a politically motivate film and it loses more points. Then we get to it being shown by teachers, on their own without being ordered. Almost any teacher who chooses this film on their own, thinks it is a good movie. If not for content, then for example as one of a series of movies with the intention comparing said movies, or studying the movie in a sociology/film class. The problem is when I say kids, I mean grade schoolers are being shown this movie.
That they rolled a 1 on the d20 of fate for the shuttle is irrelevant to me, it still happened. The 70 of 120 statistic is great, however how many flights in did they change the foam to what? How much foam fell off, during each mission? Which foam fell off at what rate? Factors like these change things and in truth are mostly irrelevant to my main point, about alternatives not being good no the sole virtue of being alternatives. Which is related to why I decided your being trolls.
You come into the thread, then start with the venom filled, shunning attacks. By this I mean your seem far more interested in invalidating/insulting (hating) other people, than adding to the conversation. Your comments are laden with person attacks, mocking, and missing the main point to latch onto minor points, as a means of discrediting other posters. I typed in a narrow viewpoint that someone specifically asked for an explanation of, with a note that is what I was doing. Then for the second time this thread I got declared a tin-foil hat wearing madman and conspiracy theorist (the first time was so out of context, that someone usually agreeing with you countered it). Its to the point if I dont constantly make specific comments every three lines as to what Im doing, you take whatever I say wildly out of context. At which point you start with the attacking mostly by declaring me a moron and a madman for soething blown far out of proportion.
On the first page, you can see where I was told that because I dont have like 9 degrees in climatology I cant comment and should shut up and go away. Which is part of the method of You havent experienced X personally, therefore have no right to comment strategy employed by left leaning people (at least that is where I have seen it exclusively). Then came taking my out of context and posting a mocking post that added to nothing, but more mocking. Look back, these things are a matter of written record.
No I dont consider generally questioning what Im saying, or asking for clarification as trolling. However taking things out of context to the point you two are is either trolling or a sign that your ill capable of thinking coherently Epsilon at least Hybrid Theory to disprove that excuse.
Anyway, it brings up entirely different issues, why is NASA being so haphazard with their maintenance of the shuttles in the first place. They are pumping out updates on their Ozone Hole stats, but not bothering to do there main PR/none pure research job. Some things seems off in NASA, which adds to my leeriness of them.
Lastly, does anyone know if there are statistics on how much effect ice breaker ships mowing their way around the world are having on the ice shelves? That Russia has for a few decades been mulching ice so they can use boats year round instead of only 2 or 3 months a year. Other countries are doing the same thing and research ships are carving their way all over the ice caps. I saw this thing on icebreakers ships and got curios.