Exxon-Mobil Admits Global Warming Is Real

[ECSNorway]

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Just out of curiosity, if you think Kyoto is inadequate, what would you propose? A stricter version of Kyoto? Do nothing until any climate changes that may happen are irreversible?

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The reason we think Kyoto is inadequate is that it utterly fails at its goal -- it does not reduce carbon emissions into the atmosphere at all, it simply provides a small economic disincentive for the USA and Europe to do so.
It most noticeably does NOT place the same requirement on the fastest-growing-polluting segments of the world economy -- China, India, and Russia. China's coal-burning alone is expected to outstrip the pollution output by every car on the planet within the decade, and Kyoto does nothing to them.
All Kyoto does is transfer the "right" to pollute from those countries that don't (such as most of Africa) to those that do (the US, Europe), in exchange for monetary payments. What I think would actually do it? A real economic incentive to individual companies. If the US, China, India, EU, etc, were to all agree to a treaty specifying tax breaks for those who reduce output from current levels, and slightly heavier taxes on those who don't... then we might see some real change.
In the meantime... regarding the solar warming issue:
I agree, evidence of climate change on Mars does not immediately point to a causal link to climate change on Earth. However, when scientists start noticing it across the ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM... then you've gotta stand up and say "Hey, maybe there is something there."

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The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.

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www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html

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We're not the only ones experiencing global warming. An MIT researcher has reported that observations obtained by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and ground-based instruments reveal that Neptune's largest moon, Triton, seems to have heated up significantly since the Voyager space probe visited it in 1989. The warming trend is causing part of Triton's surface of frozen nitrogen to turn into gas, thus making its thin atmosphere denser.

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web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1998/triton-0715.html

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In what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit.

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