Even if that is so, I posted 11 articles, only one of which was from the Guardian.
How to prove me wrong? Okay, please show how the US administration has respect for the Geneva Conventions and the rule of law, as opposed to utter contempt for them. Show that they do not in fact torture people in secret prisons, despite the plethora of reports, eyewitnesses and documented photographic evidence showing they do just that. Since that's likely impossible, instead show that the United States has taken a firm stand against the acceptability of torture, that they have issued strong public statements condemning both the acts (and not just one, but ALL such acts) and the culture that led to them, and show me there is political will and movement towards punishing the people responsible, all the way up to the top as necessary. Show that there is serious investigation into what went wrong in Iraq that has allowed these atrocities to occur. And show me how the US is making restitution for the atrocities that have occured on its watch.
Incidentally, equating:
"The alleged torture doesn't exist, and what they call 'torture' is high school pranks."
with
"Uh, no. (post long list of articles from multiple different sources showing otherwise)"
...as equal examples of "preaching to the converted" is, quite frankly, BS. The simple fact is I had significantly more evidence on my side than Necratoid before I posted a damn thing. Have you actually gone and LOOKED at the Gitmo photos? Men stripped naked and stacked in human pyramids, given electric shocks, threatened by dogs? Is that what you call "high school pranks"? It is what anybody calls it other than torture apologists?
I posted articles specifically for the reason of showing that yes, these things are still going on, not to convince fricking Necratoid. Necratoid's position is not even worth dignifying with a debate on its merits. You can disagree with me if you like, but I'm both posting evidence in my favour and not stating a position which was proven a laughable lie two years ago, so equating the two of us is flatly insulting.
How to prove me wrong? Okay, please show how the US administration has respect for the Geneva Conventions and the rule of law, as opposed to utter contempt for them. Show that they do not in fact torture people in secret prisons, despite the plethora of reports, eyewitnesses and documented photographic evidence showing they do just that. Since that's likely impossible, instead show that the United States has taken a firm stand against the acceptability of torture, that they have issued strong public statements condemning both the acts (and not just one, but ALL such acts) and the culture that led to them, and show me there is political will and movement towards punishing the people responsible, all the way up to the top as necessary. Show that there is serious investigation into what went wrong in Iraq that has allowed these atrocities to occur. And show me how the US is making restitution for the atrocities that have occured on its watch.
Incidentally, equating:
"The alleged torture doesn't exist, and what they call 'torture' is high school pranks."
with
"Uh, no. (post long list of articles from multiple different sources showing otherwise)"
...as equal examples of "preaching to the converted" is, quite frankly, BS. The simple fact is I had significantly more evidence on my side than Necratoid before I posted a damn thing. Have you actually gone and LOOKED at the Gitmo photos? Men stripped naked and stacked in human pyramids, given electric shocks, threatened by dogs? Is that what you call "high school pranks"? It is what anybody calls it other than torture apologists?
I posted articles specifically for the reason of showing that yes, these things are still going on, not to convince fricking Necratoid. Necratoid's position is not even worth dignifying with a debate on its merits. You can disagree with me if you like, but I'm both posting evidence in my favour and not stating a position which was proven a laughable lie two years ago, so equating the two of us is flatly insulting.