The Law of Unintended Consequences

[Epsilon]

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hmelton:"> Actually the court making a ruling on this is wrong in at least two counts...
The constitution gives the courts no say in the way the president makes war. Congress controls the purse strings and can stop voting money, but the courts can only act on the laws passed by the other branches of government.

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Catty:"> When a treaty is ratified it does become in effect law, and interpretation of the treaty is generally left to the courts, though sometimes congress makes 'clarifications' on how it should be read.

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hmelton:"> I didn't Quote your good argument's back, but here are my counter arguments and some of my reasoning for my positions.

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Catty:"> There have been 759 source prisoners in Guantanamo and only 10 of them have been charged with a crime. The release of 100 or so is planned because they are innocent. That is too big of a miss rate to cassualy trample the rights of the people there.

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hmelton:"> I don't have a high opinion of most lawyers or judges, but I also am applying a feeling.
Good article I can see the constitution being applied to legal non-citizens, but illegal immigrants, which are criminals(see below criminals losing rights.) and prisoners of war shouldn't have the full benefit of our constitution.

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Necratoid:"> First you have to remember that these guys all got picked up on the battle grounds... armed. They are enimy combatants not Random J. Citizen picked up off the streets of some Amish convent. POWs are able to be held until the war is over, without being charged. Its in the international rules somewhere.

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But hey, Ayeikie pulled this discussion off topic by talking about the Geneva conventon, Gitmo , Prisoners of War and whether its right or not to hold them prisoner without trail or to put them on trail in ilegal military tribunals! He was totally off topic. 100%
Logan. Please read the thread before replying. Ayiekie did not pull this off topic. Lots of people had made this topic before he felt the need to participate.
But hey, tribalism! Stand up for your own! Ayiekie isn't a regular here and Necratoid is! Therefore, when Necratoid calls him a racist, accuses him of hating America and of wanting to kill all of its citizens and so on, you can let that slide. But if Ayiekie accusses Necratoid of iignoring facts or implicitly supporting torture and then posts actual evidence that this is happeing, HE is the bad guy.
You know what Logan? Fuck you.
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Epsilon