Going over the Cliff

[ordnance11]

khagler wrote:

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ordnance11 wrote:

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I have good reason to believe that Boehmer will not be the Speaker of the House come the 2014 elections, no matter what the outcome now. He barely had the majority of votes to become speaker after the 2012 elections. The President believes he cannot work with him. The Tea Party doesn't trust him. And now he's facing a revolt of the moderates against him. So the question is if Boehmer does not become the speaker, who is? A lot of that would depend on the make-up of the House after 2014. If the moderates (i.e RINO's and squishes to the Tea Party) lose seats (by how many, no idea. So let's say 6-10 seats in the low side.), that means that the Tea Party will gain more dominance (not that they haven't already).  Maybe it will be Ted Cruz.

Thanks, that was really funny.  I think you've pretty neatly summed up the intellectual level of this thread in just that last sentence.
(For the foreign readers: Ted Cruz is a Senator. That means he can't be Speaker of the House, because he's not in the House.)

It just means you do not have a sense of irony or sarcasm. I don't have a problem with that. Considering that the Tea Parties are following whatever Cruz suggests. Witness the latest gambit. Passing a series of mini-cr's that required a 2/3 majority. I call it "We are releasing the hostages one at a time plan." Cruz floated that plan the other night and, presto! The House decided to go thru with it. I have noticed Boehmer didn't announce it. And Cruz has been pushing for this fight since last recess. Boehmer did not. so..who is leading the house?
http://www.npr.org/2013/10/02/228376346 ... down-drama
Khagler, face it. The Tea Party has a lousy sense of tactics. First, it's the timing of the fight. If you want to pick a fight, pick it at a time when you have the most leverage. That would had been at the debt ceiling debate. 2nd, you do not force the President to defund his signature 1st term achievement. It's like this threat:
If you we don't do want we want, we'll hit you in the nuts.
If you do want we want we'll hit you in the face.
So now the Party has their fight, and we have a shutdown. So, what's the Tea Party end game? Threaten the Senate Democrats in Red States?  So, they reverse their votes and they get hammered at re-election time for being flip-floppers? So what is the benefit for them for doing that?   Hope that public opinion goes against the democrats? Better start doing some fast talking to the majority of the country that suggests the Tea Party is in the right. Because of right now it's 70-30 against that position.
If the Tea Party is dead set at repealing Obamacare, the best chance was the 2012 elections. The next shot after that would have been super majorities in the house and Senate in 2014. The last slim hope would had been capturing all 3 branches with a majority in 2016.  Can the GOP accomplish that?
And when we get to the debt ceiling fight...which is now going to be one one and the same fight. The GOP opening bid, we've already discussed.
So, what we have now is a waiting game, for which the Democrats have a better hand. 
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