Sorry Ayiekie I've been trying to finish planting for the last few days and mostly forgot about this thread.
I only checked the main page showing the outer layer of topics which for "politics and other fun" hadn't changed since my post on the 25th.
When I posted the goggle thread I notice your reply.
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I'll trust hard facts, carefully vetted research, and data from experts before I'll trust anecdotal opinions, thanks.
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That's fine and part of the reason I took time to explain my sources.
Thats what reporters use anecdotal opinoins and anecdotal testomony from witnesses and they "vett" it by filtering it through there opinions and beliefs finding other sources that back the opinions and beliefs.
I personally have come to the conclusion that many reporters are from my point of view are more liberal than my views and they filter out the more conservative supporting data.
I'm not holding it against them I also believe the conservative reporters filter out the liberal supporting data.
For me an better reporter would be at least 2 people one liberal and one conservative each having to write an article that is jointly publish.
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Aside from that, you should try to be more careful to consider the difference between what you may think of as a religiously influenced viewpoint and a culturally influenced viewpoint, the latter of which is vastly more important to most people.
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I'm aware of that and again thats why I went into detail about the source of my opinion on the Muslims in general.
I'm aware that Saudi Arabia has a very radical form of the Muslim religion that is interwoven with thier culture and a outgrowth of it's fairly violent roots.
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The Bible explicitly endorses the taking of slaves - does that mean you are pro-slavery? The Koran specifically says People of the Book are in fact to be treated well - does that mean Osama Bin Laden is your buddy?
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I believe the "book" you are referring to in the example you give is interpreted by the radical groups as to be the Koran.
Yes, I know the muslim often refer to Chirstians as being the "followers of the book", which in that case is a referance to the BIBLE.
I've not got a copy of the Koran handy, but I seem to remember reading several passages that non-muslims are not to be well treated.
Also I believe the Koran says that the Jews or friends of the Jews are not to be well treated.
Reading the sections of the BiBLE dealing with slavery or servatude which seem to have the same meaning at least in the laws that are attributed to Moses, Joshua and judges period.
Actually the old testament and new testament are pretty pragmatic about slavery or servants.
Like multiple wives it was allowed especially in the old testament.
In the new testament most of what it says about slavery, servatude or "those that have dominion over you" is geared to surviving under gentile masters and attempts to bring them to the christian faith.
There are few scriptures, but the few examples seem to point fairly clearly to a christian master having to treat his slaves more like modern servants or indentured servants.
First Corinthians 7:21 through 7:24 paraphrased seems to be saying...
If your a servant or slave and can't buy your freedom then live with your servatude, but that it is better to not be a servant and since all christian are servants to God no christian should prevent a man from being a servant to God.
In the old testament slave is often used interchangably with servant and under the Hebrew laws slavery was supposed to be like what we today think of more as indentured servants than slaves.
For a Hebrew it can only be 7 years with an option to leave.
(Note this 7 year opting out doesn't seem to apply to the daughters of the master.)
Any Hebrew sold to a Gentile must be bought back within 7 years.
Any Slave(Gentile or Hebrew) that escapes from a Gentile master is allowed to live within the Jewish community without the Hebrews being able to return them.
A captured maid taken as a wife must be given her freedom if she is "divorced".
While captured men were taken as slaves or servants it seemed pretty clear with few exceptions God wanted them killed instead.In several cases he wanted every person in certain tribes or towns to be killed.
A slave or servant who is abused to losing a body part with the examples being a tooth or an eye must be given their freedom.
Also, while beating slaves or servants isn't forbidden if the slave dies immediately after the beating the master would be punished. (The punishment isn't specified, but might be either slavery or death it seems to an assumed that a standard punishment would be used probably the one for murder or theft.)
howard melton
God bless
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I only checked the main page showing the outer layer of topics which for "politics and other fun" hadn't changed since my post on the 25th.
When I posted the goggle thread I notice your reply.
/QUOTE/
I'll trust hard facts, carefully vetted research, and data from experts before I'll trust anecdotal opinions, thanks.
/ENDQUOTE/
That's fine and part of the reason I took time to explain my sources.
Thats what reporters use anecdotal opinoins and anecdotal testomony from witnesses and they "vett" it by filtering it through there opinions and beliefs finding other sources that back the opinions and beliefs.
I personally have come to the conclusion that many reporters are from my point of view are more liberal than my views and they filter out the more conservative supporting data.
I'm not holding it against them I also believe the conservative reporters filter out the liberal supporting data.
For me an better reporter would be at least 2 people one liberal and one conservative each having to write an article that is jointly publish.
/QUOTE/
Aside from that, you should try to be more careful to consider the difference between what you may think of as a religiously influenced viewpoint and a culturally influenced viewpoint, the latter of which is vastly more important to most people.
/ENDQUOTE/
I'm aware of that and again thats why I went into detail about the source of my opinion on the Muslims in general.
I'm aware that Saudi Arabia has a very radical form of the Muslim religion that is interwoven with thier culture and a outgrowth of it's fairly violent roots.
/QUOTE/
The Bible explicitly endorses the taking of slaves - does that mean you are pro-slavery? The Koran specifically says People of the Book are in fact to be treated well - does that mean Osama Bin Laden is your buddy?
/ENDQUOTE/
I believe the "book" you are referring to in the example you give is interpreted by the radical groups as to be the Koran.
Yes, I know the muslim often refer to Chirstians as being the "followers of the book", which in that case is a referance to the BIBLE.
I've not got a copy of the Koran handy, but I seem to remember reading several passages that non-muslims are not to be well treated.
Also I believe the Koran says that the Jews or friends of the Jews are not to be well treated.
Reading the sections of the BiBLE dealing with slavery or servatude which seem to have the same meaning at least in the laws that are attributed to Moses, Joshua and judges period.
Actually the old testament and new testament are pretty pragmatic about slavery or servants.
Like multiple wives it was allowed especially in the old testament.
In the new testament most of what it says about slavery, servatude or "those that have dominion over you" is geared to surviving under gentile masters and attempts to bring them to the christian faith.
There are few scriptures, but the few examples seem to point fairly clearly to a christian master having to treat his slaves more like modern servants or indentured servants.
First Corinthians 7:21 through 7:24 paraphrased seems to be saying...
If your a servant or slave and can't buy your freedom then live with your servatude, but that it is better to not be a servant and since all christian are servants to God no christian should prevent a man from being a servant to God.
In the old testament slave is often used interchangably with servant and under the Hebrew laws slavery was supposed to be like what we today think of more as indentured servants than slaves.
For a Hebrew it can only be 7 years with an option to leave.
(Note this 7 year opting out doesn't seem to apply to the daughters of the master.)
Any Hebrew sold to a Gentile must be bought back within 7 years.
Any Slave(Gentile or Hebrew) that escapes from a Gentile master is allowed to live within the Jewish community without the Hebrews being able to return them.
A captured maid taken as a wife must be given her freedom if she is "divorced".
While captured men were taken as slaves or servants it seemed pretty clear with few exceptions God wanted them killed instead.In several cases he wanted every person in certain tribes or towns to be killed.
A slave or servant who is abused to losing a body part with the examples being a tooth or an eye must be given their freedom.
Also, while beating slaves or servants isn't forbidden if the slave dies immediately after the beating the master would be punished. (The punishment isn't specified, but might be either slavery or death it seems to an assumed that a standard punishment would be used probably the one for murder or theft.)
howard melton
God bless