Quote: Epsilon wrote:
Quote: Logan Darklighter wrote:It's a level of unneccesary redundancy. Why skip around the issue to protect the feelings of a bunch of bigots and assholes? The fact is
Wait, wait, HUH??? I completely MISSED where your logic comes from, here. We're NOT saying we want to TAKE AWAY the right of any church to marry anyone
it wants. If your hairy thunderer hammer god says you can marry each other, gay or straight, that should be FINE. In the civil unions argument, it's
ONLY the strictly legalistic component that the government should be dealing with. The rights and privileges that strictly come from the government
(visitation rights, who gets what when someone dies if they haven't already made a will, etc...) are the only thing that a civil union should cover.
Other than that, you get any church at all that will marry you, and presto! You're married! It should be as simple as that! I don't get where you
think we (those advocating civil unions for all) are trying to take that away.
that civil unions ARE marriages, in every single way that matters. Why go through all the trouble of changing all the laws when the solutions is about a
thousand times simpler than that?
If the bigots don't care that the Unitarians (or Wiccans or whoever) call their partners "married' why the hell shoudl they care that the
government calls them "married"? The answer is because they do NOT care about the word. They care because they hate gay people, or support
religions that hate gay people. Framing the debate in the "civil unions" manner plays into their hands. because they do not want civil unions, but
by offering them they can create a "seperate but equal" status for Gays. Then you try to remove marriage from the law books and watch them howl and
moan. Yeah, its not going to go over well. Then once they have their "civil unions" they will pass a bunch of laws to dick over gay people and not
true married people, because that's what they fucking do.
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Epsilon
Unfortunately, some will try that, just like some gays will try to use certain gay marriage laws to sue those religious groups that don't accept
gay marriage, with 'discrimination' charges. Though, in my opinion anyway, both of these types are more fanatic loons than actual rational
people.