Okay, some people wondered what I was talking about in the current updates thread, when I said this:
What I was refering to was the branching blather that had started in pages 30 and 31 of the update thread. What these posts went on about how Ranma's
theretical betroved (it is rather disputed as a status for the lot of them, at least they think so) where all sadistic psycho.... and babbled about such things
as Shampoo being the exception and Akane the rule. This is patently false, at least as far as the canon (manga/anime) is concerned.
I'm not going recap the canon for you, but I will backup this up with evidence. First Kodachi is a loony with sadistic tendancies, that she beats people
up before a competition and than laugh at the hilarity of such an event to their face is proof enough. I don't think anyone will really argue against this
particular point, why she is that way is a different and minor to this discusion point. Not to mention she isn't even a serious contender and literally
bribed herself into the position later, she literally tries to buy Ranma as a breeding slave. Ukyo is not sadist so much as she is unstable and unconiously
smashes things/people/people disgusised as things as a rebutal... at her worse she is vengeful and homocidal (manga wedding arc). However she isn't
actually causing others pain for the joy of it, personally I blaim her father. I'll get to Genma and Ukyo's father later.
Shampoo is a sadist, at least part time. If you don't beleive me ask a certain pair of herbalists that live near her village in the manga. She enjoys
tormenting them and only one of them did something to her... the other cured her and got mauled for it. This goes on at random intervals for around a decade.
Shampoo is a petty cruel child that its not exactly a stretch to think she left a trail of small dead animals as kid. Not that there is direct evidence of
that actually happening in the canon. She of the four, treats him most as a toy and her personal property. though far less frequent than in the fanon,
Shampoo does randomly try mind control vegitation on on Ranma, hypno mushrooms and the imprinting eggs from the Saffrom arc in the manga.... She is enslaved by
the eggs and is primarily concerned with enslaving Ranma with them as a way to have him as her own... its a primal urge for her.
Akane of the canon, manga notablly, is a sweet girl really. By this I mean she is the kind of kid that took home injured animals to heal... and actually
looked for books and advise on how to actually do is properly, at like 7. When she was kidnapped by Mr. Panyhose she patched him up and tryed to talk him
through his problems. She does this kind of thing routinely. Her cooking is burnt or bad, minus curry, but it never is lethal or prone to animating and
attacking someone. Yes, she does hit him, but he deserves it (like those reading or watch want to hurt him for that kind of deserves it)... and its once.
Also Ranma doesn't often (if ever) take place in a Team rocket style distance punt. She also walks away from situations where she knows she'll be
tempted to get excessively violent. She mostly hits him barehanded, not with the only mallet in the series, but rather with with her fist, random objects and
the like. However, this is normal female behavior (if not as hard normally) in Ranma 1/2. If you don't beleive me look for the early episode where Ranma
and Ryoga are attempting to get the vase key to the Japanese spring of the drowned man from under the girls locker rooms. Girls pull out mallets, brooms, and
nagitas to chase them. At one point in the series Kasumi hands Nabiki a mallet and she knocks out Kuno with a temple strike.
As long as I'm mentioning Nabiki, I'll tell you about the charicter defining moment of hers I remember most from the manga. Nabiki and Ranma are the
only ones home and Nabiki entertains herself by ripping her close and using a camera, tape recorder, ripping her own clothes, and acting to amuse herself
trying to get 'evidence' that Ranma was actively trying to rape her. She isn't making money for the family and is evil. Kasumi hands out mallets
at least one point and everytime people are listening to Ranma and Akane at the doors and such she is right their in the stack with them. Soun's tears are
an act that can start or stop on a dime... they are used to control his kids through embarassment. He can start or stop them on a dime. Considering that he
gets job offers as a ghost buster/monster dispoal expert for the dojo, I think he was actively doing this kind of thing preseries and hands it off to the
younger generation.
From the 2 1/2 to 3 seasons I've seen of the anime the largest difference with Akane anime and Akane manga is that Akane anime actually bothers to try and
participate in all the nonbrawl challenges and contests... with leave her more frustrated.
To me Genma is one of the more intresting charicters. Not that he is close to perfect, but he did accomplish his 2 goals with Ranma, trained him as a master
martial artist and he does qualify as a man amonst men, if not the gigaloo his mom apperently wants. One of the things that he gets the most flack for is his
engagement spree. The Tendo engagement is old fashion, but normalish. On its own wouldn't be that much strange thing in a series. Shampoo is only
Genma's fault as far as the Kiss of Death is concerned. The Kiss of Marrage is part bad luck, part left field law, and part chaos. So Genma got his
offspring an assassin not a self declared wife there. The Take-out girl is more Genma doing the correct thing. What I mean by that is that the guy has a
starving/hungry man and his baby son come up to him at a fire and ask for a bit of aid, a bit of food and a shared fire. One parable in polytheism in the West
and East covers this kind of situation... the one where say a crone asks for these simple boon of a meal and a nights rest. Turns out the crone is a god(dess)
is disguise and the ones with the supplies/fire/home either rewards or punishs the group/man dependant on his generocity. All Genma did was follow the
fable... unfact he rented his son to the guy for an evening... the guy wanted to take a man's firstborn for a simple meal... worse should have befallen the
creep, at least his gear should have been swiped.
Now when we get to Ukyo's dad it gets odd. Ukyo's father tries to make an engagement between Ukyo and Ranma and Genma flatout refuses... then shortly
afterwards he takes the offer with gusto and ditches the girl. The rather abrupt and spontanious change of attitudes is jolting to me. I've always
wornders if Ukyo's father drugged/cursed Genma here. Up to this point in his life Genma is more or less decent if arrogant man, after that point he does
things like train Ranma in the Nekoken (I still can't remember if he says the last pages where stuck together or that was fanfiction).and eat the Amazon
tournoment prize feast... or go to ancient training grounds on advise of a pamplet in another language. I think there is evidence that something major changed
at that point.
I make this specific post as a gateway into this kind of subject... there is a clear intrest in it, even if a large part is spreading bad fanon. I'm
hardly against altering facets of the canon for a story, but abrupt stupid ill explained changes bother me. As I've stated before Its not changes or
alternate universes or the like that get me, and I think romance is a part of a story... if its the main feature it just manages to be bad, more often than
not. I'm more interested in how someone ends up with someone than that they are with that person. (Besides not being something I particularly want to
read, my main issue with yaoi is that it smothers the plots outside them making out, etc... Which is often true of any fanfiction that lists the romantic
couple(s) in the preview blurb.
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Okay if you want to spout garbage and fanon make a thread for it and people with actual experience with the canon can smack you down properly for
blithering on about how bad an one dimension berserker Akane was in some nth derivitive fanfiction you read somewhere. That your telling us about sweet,
innocent, perfert Shampoo only makes you dig the bad fanon hole your digging deeper. Seriously, its like listening to fangirls babble on about Sepheroth.
At the very least include an update in your posting to the update thread.
What I was refering to was the branching blather that had started in pages 30 and 31 of the update thread. What these posts went on about how Ranma's
theretical betroved (it is rather disputed as a status for the lot of them, at least they think so) where all sadistic psycho.... and babbled about such things
as Shampoo being the exception and Akane the rule. This is patently false, at least as far as the canon (manga/anime) is concerned.
I'm not going recap the canon for you, but I will backup this up with evidence. First Kodachi is a loony with sadistic tendancies, that she beats people
up before a competition and than laugh at the hilarity of such an event to their face is proof enough. I don't think anyone will really argue against this
particular point, why she is that way is a different and minor to this discusion point. Not to mention she isn't even a serious contender and literally
bribed herself into the position later, she literally tries to buy Ranma as a breeding slave. Ukyo is not sadist so much as she is unstable and unconiously
smashes things/people/people disgusised as things as a rebutal... at her worse she is vengeful and homocidal (manga wedding arc). However she isn't
actually causing others pain for the joy of it, personally I blaim her father. I'll get to Genma and Ukyo's father later.
Shampoo is a sadist, at least part time. If you don't beleive me ask a certain pair of herbalists that live near her village in the manga. She enjoys
tormenting them and only one of them did something to her... the other cured her and got mauled for it. This goes on at random intervals for around a decade.
Shampoo is a petty cruel child that its not exactly a stretch to think she left a trail of small dead animals as kid. Not that there is direct evidence of
that actually happening in the canon. She of the four, treats him most as a toy and her personal property. though far less frequent than in the fanon,
Shampoo does randomly try mind control vegitation on on Ranma, hypno mushrooms and the imprinting eggs from the Saffrom arc in the manga.... She is enslaved by
the eggs and is primarily concerned with enslaving Ranma with them as a way to have him as her own... its a primal urge for her.
Akane of the canon, manga notablly, is a sweet girl really. By this I mean she is the kind of kid that took home injured animals to heal... and actually
looked for books and advise on how to actually do is properly, at like 7. When she was kidnapped by Mr. Panyhose she patched him up and tryed to talk him
through his problems. She does this kind of thing routinely. Her cooking is burnt or bad, minus curry, but it never is lethal or prone to animating and
attacking someone. Yes, she does hit him, but he deserves it (like those reading or watch want to hurt him for that kind of deserves it)... and its once.
Also Ranma doesn't often (if ever) take place in a Team rocket style distance punt. She also walks away from situations where she knows she'll be
tempted to get excessively violent. She mostly hits him barehanded, not with the only mallet in the series, but rather with with her fist, random objects and
the like. However, this is normal female behavior (if not as hard normally) in Ranma 1/2. If you don't beleive me look for the early episode where Ranma
and Ryoga are attempting to get the vase key to the Japanese spring of the drowned man from under the girls locker rooms. Girls pull out mallets, brooms, and
nagitas to chase them. At one point in the series Kasumi hands Nabiki a mallet and she knocks out Kuno with a temple strike.
As long as I'm mentioning Nabiki, I'll tell you about the charicter defining moment of hers I remember most from the manga. Nabiki and Ranma are the
only ones home and Nabiki entertains herself by ripping her close and using a camera, tape recorder, ripping her own clothes, and acting to amuse herself
trying to get 'evidence' that Ranma was actively trying to rape her. She isn't making money for the family and is evil. Kasumi hands out mallets
at least one point and everytime people are listening to Ranma and Akane at the doors and such she is right their in the stack with them. Soun's tears are
an act that can start or stop on a dime... they are used to control his kids through embarassment. He can start or stop them on a dime. Considering that he
gets job offers as a ghost buster/monster dispoal expert for the dojo, I think he was actively doing this kind of thing preseries and hands it off to the
younger generation.
From the 2 1/2 to 3 seasons I've seen of the anime the largest difference with Akane anime and Akane manga is that Akane anime actually bothers to try and
participate in all the nonbrawl challenges and contests... with leave her more frustrated.
To me Genma is one of the more intresting charicters. Not that he is close to perfect, but he did accomplish his 2 goals with Ranma, trained him as a master
martial artist and he does qualify as a man amonst men, if not the gigaloo his mom apperently wants. One of the things that he gets the most flack for is his
engagement spree. The Tendo engagement is old fashion, but normalish. On its own wouldn't be that much strange thing in a series. Shampoo is only
Genma's fault as far as the Kiss of Death is concerned. The Kiss of Marrage is part bad luck, part left field law, and part chaos. So Genma got his
offspring an assassin not a self declared wife there. The Take-out girl is more Genma doing the correct thing. What I mean by that is that the guy has a
starving/hungry man and his baby son come up to him at a fire and ask for a bit of aid, a bit of food and a shared fire. One parable in polytheism in the West
and East covers this kind of situation... the one where say a crone asks for these simple boon of a meal and a nights rest. Turns out the crone is a god(dess)
is disguise and the ones with the supplies/fire/home either rewards or punishs the group/man dependant on his generocity. All Genma did was follow the
fable... unfact he rented his son to the guy for an evening... the guy wanted to take a man's firstborn for a simple meal... worse should have befallen the
creep, at least his gear should have been swiped.
Now when we get to Ukyo's dad it gets odd. Ukyo's father tries to make an engagement between Ukyo and Ranma and Genma flatout refuses... then shortly
afterwards he takes the offer with gusto and ditches the girl. The rather abrupt and spontanious change of attitudes is jolting to me. I've always
wornders if Ukyo's father drugged/cursed Genma here. Up to this point in his life Genma is more or less decent if arrogant man, after that point he does
things like train Ranma in the Nekoken (I still can't remember if he says the last pages where stuck together or that was fanfiction).and eat the Amazon
tournoment prize feast... or go to ancient training grounds on advise of a pamplet in another language. I think there is evidence that something major changed
at that point.
I make this specific post as a gateway into this kind of subject... there is a clear intrest in it, even if a large part is spreading bad fanon. I'm
hardly against altering facets of the canon for a story, but abrupt stupid ill explained changes bother me. As I've stated before Its not changes or
alternate universes or the like that get me, and I think romance is a part of a story... if its the main feature it just manages to be bad, more often than
not. I'm more interested in how someone ends up with someone than that they are with that person. (Besides not being something I particularly want to
read, my main issue with yaoi is that it smothers the plots outside them making out, etc... Which is often true of any fanfiction that lists the romantic
couple(s) in the preview blurb.