Quote:vorticity wrote:Do tackle the student loan over ATT. As Rob has noted, it's just a hobby, it can always wait.
Money isn't a real issue in running the wiki. We're somewhere in the range of $75 a month to run Miraheze, which is not that big of a deal to me personally. I could pay for that on my own. (At 2.3% interest, my student loans can wait.) And instead of buying servers and doing colocation, you pretty much always want to start on someone else's infrastructure. This means one of the many VPS providers, like RamNode (Miraheze), Digital Ocean (Orain), AWS (my work), etc. We've never seriously discussed owning hardware at Miraheze, largely due to the odd concern of "our lead sysadmin isn't allowed in the data center because he's too young." There are advantages to owning, but for now the disadvantages are winning.
Owning hardware is one thing... but there are virtual server options, and Miraheze is starting to manifest a potentially LARGE disadvantage, if only because the administration is starting to look like a maker of capricious decisions that may or may not cause ATT problems in the long run - John doing things like potentially starting to demand changes in the ATT code of conduct if it conflicts with the Miraheze code, and possibly demanding a move of discussion over to there. I feel like he's making an assumption he's going to get dumped on coming over here to discuss what's been going on. (To be fair, it's probably a bit true, but it's also one of those things that he's recently earned with some of his actions.) And, well, if there's to be another move, even without a dog in the fight since I'm not a contributor, I'd also advocate towards reducing the number of levels between the actual hosting and ATT by becoming the master, as Geth commented.
Quote:vorticity wrote:Better make sure you've got that decision lined up in case you're called on it before the timing shows it's time to pull the trigger.
The problem with what's being discussed here is that it puts me in a difficult situation. I have a duty of care to two different organizations, and it's starting to look like those duties are coming into conflict. I'll have to see if I can thread this needle, or delegate the responsibilities to someone else, or resign from one of the positions.
Quote:Bob Schroeck wrote:Given the issues it caused TVTropes (ironically it likely helped to reveal the cracks that were Fast Eddie's authoritarian tendencies), I don't blame you for wanting to go absolutely ad-free.
Option one is definitely off the table for me. If it ever goes on the table, I'm walking.
Quote:Bob Schroeck wrote:Which I would infer that the severity doesn't merit response until John canNOT avoid doing anything about it because he's getting complaints every hour. Hence why I asked earlier about his experience with forums/social media. The implication I was trying to make is that he's had little to no experience regarding the damage an asshole, troll or otherwise, can do to what appears to be an otherwise stable community, and the measures actually required to deal with that before it becomes toxic. Read: He didn't treat Amanda's behavior as being an appropriate level of severity in terms of threat to Miraheze as a whole. Sometimes you just have to ban somebody outright, as unfair as it seems on the surface. Amanda, for instance, should have been kept on a VERY SHORT leash and the ban reinstated once the behaviors started to remanifest, instead of waiting for multiple complaints and people actively leaving. And my only beef with LK's tempban was the lack of communication regarding it when the decision was brought down.
Well, the difference between LK and Amanda is that Amanda was actively damaging the wiki farm, and LK was irritating John. From the responses to each we can infer the relative severity of these offenses.
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