Quote:vorticity wrote:Blind bias I expect to see most places.
But I feel like there were mistakes on the Miraheze side too:
- John opened with a post that was essentially a come-on or a troll, to go ahead try and remove him from power. He should have seen that I was already trying to moderate LK on this forum, and asked me to go further.
- According to IRC logs, John had already decided that he LK should be banned after his first LK's first reply, but kept replying in-thread anyway, in an attempt to "give him enough rope" in what was essentially entrapment.
- John incited the incident further by including phrases like "Clearly you only care about manipulating things to make it look like you're are correct." This is not as bad as things LK said, but it was making the debate worse.
- John gave a "final warning", but never explained what the consequences would be if that warning was not heeded. NDKilla considered that warning to be sufficient notice, which means that John was acting as a steward in this case.
- John said that he would not take action as an involved party, which means that he was not a steward in this case. If that's right, then the last point is false, and no one tried to moderate the situation before "actioning".
- NDKilla acted without informing the banned user of what was going on for six hours.
- Miraheze staff was, in general, blind to their group bias, but if you read the private logs it was definitely there.
If John decided to do "come at me bro" and attempt entrapment, that's a whole other worrying kettle of fish at that point. One can provide opportunities to feed hanging rope without goading the party in question into taking it.
I'm with Rob; there is no way to have a discussion someplace where John can decide that people are no longer part of the discussion, or can edit away comments he doesn't think are "appropriate". If he refuses to have that discussion anyplace other than on Miraheze itself (and so far he basically has, with regards to participating in the thread here on "threat of being harrassed"), then that's another big red flag.
In fact, my recommendation with that behavior is that he really needs to step away from that, or be forced to step away.
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