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Self-Censorship
Self-Censorship
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One topic that I haven't discussed on this board any time lately is the People's Republic of China, with the exception of Trump's dumb policy with regards to tariffs on China.  And that's a domestic issue, really, because all of the people paying those tariffs are Americans.

Anyway, the lack of talk about China was intentional on my part.  I thought hey, maybe I'd like to take a vacation there some day, and I really wouldn't go there with the intent to do anything but sightseeing -- so why make the government dislike me?  What could I possibly accomplish, anyway?

The situation there has changed a little bit recently.  China's government recently approved a new national security law, with a lot of implications, that makes me consider wanting to discuss it.  However, I do not want to discuss it here without asking people if that is acceptable to them.  One of the points of the new law above is that is that a foreign individual who provides assistance to anyone protesting in Hong Kong is committing a crime.  It is entirely possible that in this discussion, you can commit a felony in the PRC, regardless of your citizenship or current location.  The law has a global scope.

So I ask you to be very careful in what you say.  I have to start this discussion as a courtesy to all of you, with a question: Shall we have discussion here about the situation in China, or is the discussion better left to the citizens of that nation?
"Kitto daijoubu da yo." - Sakura Kinomoto
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#2
Does China refrain from discussing foreign nations and their internal politics?

(The answer to that is no).


A nation that refuses to be discussed, even if that discussion can be unflattering, is unworthy of being discussed in a flattering manner.
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As the Citizens of China are not free to openly discuss the Chinese government, it's not just our right to do so, it is our duty.
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I had one forum member message me to say that they could not participate in discussions of China, but that the existence of a discussion here on China is not any kind of threat to them.  So now, just waiting for Bob to get back from vacation and comment, because he has the most exposure.
"Kitto daijoubu da yo." - Sakura Kinomoto
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I'm fine with discussing China's policies. In fact, I think I'd like to try and find some actual Chinese expats-in-self-imposed-exile to comment. Because it's not really fair, I think, to have that kind of discussion without a native's thoughts on the matter.
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As far as I'm concerned, discuss away. I have no business in China nor anticipate any need to go to territory they control, and I doubt very much they're going to get any kind of extradition.
-- Bob

I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh, Clark Kent, Mary Sue, DJ Croft, Skysaber.  I have been 
called a hundred names and will be called a thousand more before the sun grows dim and cold....

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all i have to say is....

no i better not, its not polite...

you all know my thoughts on Socialism/Communism and the Maoist brand of the same was just as bad as the Stalinist brand. What is being done to the people of Hong Kong is a travesty and their new natonal security law can kiss my ass.
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Any free nation should revel in their right to say whatever they please about a nation that isn't. Not only is it our privilege and duty to exercise our free expression, it's our moral imperative to do so when others cannot legally do the same. Tyranny wins when no one opposes it, and any nation that remains silent while another nation is practicing tyranny is allowing it to happen without so much as token protest.
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So, there's a lot to start with, but how about this one. I've never talked to Audrey Tang, but we have a lot of mutual friends. Here's an interview of her by Nikkei:

Xinjiang is prototype for fully totalitarian state: Taiwan minister

I mean, it's not really genocide that's going on in Xinjiang, but it definitely reminds me of the last days of our institutional oppression of Native Americans in America, except with more concentration camps.
"Kitto daijoubu da yo." - Sakura Kinomoto
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Lab, you don't need to kill people to commit a genocide. Just make them stop being the people they were.
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Concur. Cultural Genocide is still Genocide.
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Hong Kong issues arrest warrants for six overseas democracy activists including US citizen, state media reports

You know, it might have sounded like hyperbole at the start of the thread, but now China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States.
"Kitto daijoubu da yo." - Sakura Kinomoto
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Yes, well, it's not like that's any sort of surprise. They gave themselves a fig leaf to justify it, and now, at minimum, they can make diplomatic hay out of the US/Britain/etc. refusing to cooperate with Chinese law enforcement and extradite terrorists. At worst, Comrade Trump maintains the grip of his regime and, freed of the worry about needing to stand for reelection, drops his anti-China agenda in favor of shoveling as much money as he can grub into his pockets, using "international cooperation and the rule of law" to butter Xi Jinping and company up to restore mutually profitable trade arrangements.

Because ridiculous, mustache twirling, saturday-morning-cartoon evil is by all appearances his stock in trade, so at this point there's literally no moral or ethical low I would believe him incapable of sinking to, and very little I can hope his patsies won't allow or enthusiastically cheer on.
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‎noli esse culus
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