(08-20-2021, 09:15 PM)Rajvik Wrote: i'll admit, i was not exactly happy that we stayed as long as we did in Afghanistan. When we went in, it was supposed to be simple, go in, kill Bin Laden, get out, no nation building. But then we did stay, and i said when we did, "Its going to take at least 50 years of occupation to turn that place around. I do not see the US population supporting that." The reason i said that is that like in Germany, (post WWII) we had to stick around with at least an armored division to keep an eye on the local government so that the wrong think of Naziism did not raise its ugly head again, (nor communism sneak through the border, though honestly i think we arguably failed on that one) and it takes a minimum of three generations to get the old ideas out of circulation, to get people to understand that, yes, Grandpa might have done things that way, but this isn't grandpa's time anymore and quite frankly, grandpa is a little crazy anyway. As much as you hated Trump, he had bench marks, and no fear about dropping more troops in the area if he thought they were needed. Biden has turned this into a shit show by pulling out the troops ahead of the civilians.
Point of order.... Modern Germany is about as anti-communist as they come. If anything, it can be argued that this standing was the cause of a lot of economic trouble about 10-12 years ago
Also. The situation on Germany, is and was somewhat different from the situation in Afghanistan. For one thing, Germany was fully industrialised with an already existing social framework for central government and governance. For one thing - there was minimal post-war insurgencies.
Anyway, lingering in Afghanistan to raise a few generations for, oh, 60 years or so, is deadly close to Colonising the shit out of the place.
Staying was bad.
The Withdrawal plan was bad
You're either staying forever, or never leaving.
Also. When the British Army left Ireland in the 1920's --- a Civil War followed. The State --- with minimal resources --- more or less squashed it. The Afghan Government just sort of.... chose not to exist. There're some fighters starting to fight back against the Taliban on their own and people protesting them on the street.
Maybe they'll solve the problem themselves.
I love the smell of rotaries in the morning. You know one time, I got to work early, before the rush hour. I walked through the empty carpark, I didn't see one bloody Prius or Golf. And that smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole carpark, smelled like.... ....speed.
One day they're going to ban them.