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[RFC] Handwavium Law in the US
 
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Think about this:

Nothing that has happened in fenspace canon has caused a butterfly effect that would prevent the teaparty from rising. The foundations for their rise (the economic crash of 2008) were laid in the late 90's and early 2000-2001. Add to that fear. Fear from amongst themselves, from terrorists and handwavium (possibly mixed together by shock jocks), fear from above (there was a WAR!?), fear brought on from any number of sources.

So, you have one nearly insane hyper-nationalist rightwinger group that is markedly diving headlong into religious fundamentalism, add one speech (in stupidity and desperation to get more resources applied) that leverages that with talk of 'god's gift', and playing on old national themes that are disturbingly still suggested (Manifest destiny. Intentionally picked to inspire America Uber Alles!, and yes, I am aware of the disturbing implications), add as suggested attempts to claim all of space is in fact part of the fenspace nation (which would get laughed off the podium just as fast as china trying to claim the entire south china sea. Expect exclusive economic zones and 'national space zones' established by UN mandate), intentionally (in a very bad idea) played up fear of the fact that the fens have a space navy, and the US... doesn't (meaning they can strike without the US being able to counterstrike), and it all adds up to a very toxic soup that is equal parts inspiring, encouraging, and pants-shittingly terrifying.

It's not MEANT to be a good thing, and from the setup in fenspace, I can't see why it hasn't happened already. If anything, politics in Fenspace America is going to be more toxic than currently thanks to events happening, and the fact that a massive chunk of the moderating influence IRL has left for Upstairs, and because (as pointed out in violation of a few treaties) Fenspace already HAS a navy. A very large, very dangerous navy that can first-strike the US without the US being able to do anything about that. Like, say, being able to tow a dinosaur killer onto a collision orbit that will drop it on DC.  

Think of it in real world terms, Foriegnstan has suddenly appeared off the coast.  And they've somehow developed a perfect anti-nuke shield. And they have enough nukes to hit every US city.  Meanwhile, the Navy and the airforce are bickering too much to actually do anything to act as a protective measure.  

There is going to be SOMETHING happening in response to the aftermath of the Boskone War. Great Justice is still around. The big factions are still armed, almost to ludicrous levels.  Before the war, Fenspace was ignorable. Nothing had happened that was worth noting, and it was politically safe to write off space as 'fen territory'.

Then came the war.  Overnight, everybody Upstairs is armed. Overnight, they launched an attack on an EARTHBOUND target (Shipwreck Island, if I remember right), and demonstrated that they had the will and ability to fight a war. And all of a sudden, somebody rubs their face in that fact.  Fen having exclusive control over space is no longer acceptable.  Now, space has to be treated as just another frontier, another threat (rightly or wrongly) to defend against.  Now, you've got Space Patrol and the Convention as the Space UN, sure it's nice to work with them, but smaller nations within the fen have come forward.  Now, all of a sudden, you've got to defend the US from attack from above.  You've already GOT a base out in the Main Belt, so claiming that sending ships Up is an invasion is now moot.  

Is it not good? Yeah, but that's intentional. It's a new type of friction between the danelaw and the fens, one that is going to cause Problems. The politicians are going to want to do things that the fen aren't going to like. That doesn't mean that the military commanders Upstairs are going to completely listen to them. That precedent has already been established with the Stingray.

As for establishing FOBs on Ceres, and other places in Fenspace? Not an invasion, but more like Diego Garcia, Germany, Okinawa. Places negotiated for, basing permissions established (and potentially revoked in the aftermath of The Call) at first as additional protection in the height of the Bosokone War and afterwards to help add an additional layer of protection. After all, the Space Patrol and Great Justice and the Trekkies and Warsies are nice, but... in the aftermath of Jenga, can anyone guarantee that they'll be there in time to help? Some are going to look elsewhere. Why not the USA? They promise to keep to themselves, and they've got all these nice fighters and a small detachment marines ready to go! heck, they'll even bring up business from earth with them!
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[RFC] Handwavium Law in the US - by ECSNorway - 08-13-2013, 06:27 AM
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