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Chicago Gun Ban Case
 
#51
Quote:I'll ask the same question I always have when I see this line of
argument: Why do you assume that half the real combat troops aren't
going to be supporting the insurrection?
I don't, of course! Quite possibly there'll be a significant fraction of the military supporting it - although, if we're discussing a case like, say, South Korea a few decades ago, that might be a small fraction - but if those soldiers have their own guns, then they'll be using them, rather than drawing 'arms' from the civilian population, won't they? I'm not arguing that 'second amendment rights' are a major factor in civil liberty, but the opposite - that they're irrelevant to the course of events.
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I guess I don't quite understand the logic. Because I look at it and think "Okay, so there's one side that has soldiers with guns. And there's one side that also has soldiers with guns, and civilians with guns (some of whom are, in fact, retired soldiers with guns). I think the second side has a lot more guns."

Basically I don't see an armed populace as something that could be safely ignored, unless they're willing to just glass the country and start over.

-Morgan.
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An interested and involved populace is going to be the determining factor in any such conflict.

If the opposing element has limits to how far they're willing to go, as the British did during Ghandi's campaign for Indian independence, then whatever armaments the citizenry have will never be needed.

If the 'regular forces' are willing to spill a great deal of blood, then the populace will, eventually, end up heavily armed and engaged in guerrilla warfare. If they have weapons useful for that to start with, they'll use them. If they don't, they'll acquire them, either from home machine shops or black markets or foreign governments friendly to their cause.

No amount or quality of weaponry is going to change what happens to irregulars if professionals find their bases and hiding spots, any more than a semi-trailer's bumper cares if the dog it's smearing across a hundred feet of freeway is a labrador or a mastiff; the key factors will be the general population's willingness and ability to conceal and support the irregulars, rather than what the guerrillas started out having access to.
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Plus, of course, the concept of an actual popular armed uprising against a modern first world government is hilariously remote. The chances of it happening while the armed forces are on the government's side is even more remote.
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Ayiekie Wrote:Plus, of course, the concept of an actual popular armed uprising against a modern first world government is hilariously remote. The chances of it happening while the armed forces are on the government's side is even more remote.
Important distinction there.
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''

-- James Nicoll
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