Dear Prudence critiques Rush Limbaugh's apology

[ordnance11]

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear ... said_.html
Ms. Fluke has not aceepted his apology and neither did one of his former corporate sponsors. Now I am curious:
1.  When Mr. Limbaugh would play the "martyr" card?
2. How many of his fans would stand by him?
3. More importantly, would Clearwater stand by him? 
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[CattyNebulart]

I'll just leave this comment here; http://www.politico.com/a...8-B75F-0464145A78A6.html
E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?"
B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

[Ebony]

And evidently, Limbaugh issued another statement yesterday, explaining his apology. Someone needs to tell him that, if you have to explain an apology, then you really haven't apologized.
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[ECSNorway]

Considering that, based on what he actually said when compared to what the left-wing media are making him out to have said, he has nothing to apologize for, I'd say that we need a Sheridan-style apology here.
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[Morganite]

I'm offended by Emily Yoffe's failure to format her critique in a way I can read without my eyes crossing.

I doubt this whole thing will hurt Rush in any meaningful way. That said, it's... weird. The whole thing just seems not his style.

-Morgan.

[robkelk]

So, exactly what did Mr. Limbaugh do (this time) that people feel warranted an apology?
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[ECSNorway]

He harshly critiqued a woman who testified before congress that she wanted them to force the a Catholic university (that she was paying $60,000/year to attend) to pay for her birth control medication, and the media are spinning it out to make it sound like he's calling any woman who's ever used birth control sluts and whores.
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[ordnance11]

So, exactly what did Mr. Limbaugh do (this time) that people feel warranted an apology?

This...straight from the horse's mouth


To ECSNorway: "Harshly critqued" is like saying napalm is just like a charcoal briquet. But that's just me.
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Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[RMH999]

Various members of the board (including myself) have their bias - Here's the original & comments that started it all.
*ninja'd by Ordnance11 for Rush's comments*
Sandra Fluke's testimony - source: C-Span
    “Leader [Nancy] Pelosi, members of Congress, good morning. And thank you for calling this hearing on women’s health and for allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation.
     “My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third-year student at Georgetown Law School. I’m also a past-president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. And I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them so much for being here today.
    (Applause)
    “We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the non-partisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine.
    “I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens.
    “We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women.
    “Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic or Jesuit institutions.
    “When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.

    “And especially in the last week, I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage.
    “And so, I’m here today to share their voices, and I want to thank you for allowing them – not me – to be heard.
    “Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.
    “One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.
    “Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.
    “And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.
    “Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need.
    “How can Congress consider the [Rep. Jeff] Fortenberry (R-Neb.), [Sen. Marco] Rubio (R-Fla.) and [Sen. Roy] Blunt (R-Mo.) legislation to allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraception coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to de-fund those very same clinics?
    “These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people.
    “In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.

    “A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.
    “Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.
    “When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.
    “In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.
    “For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.
    “After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.
    “I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’
    “Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.
    “On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she was sitting in a doctor’s office, trying to cope with the consequences of this medical catastrophe.
    “Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats and weight gain and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32-years-old.
    “As she put it, ‘If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.’
    “Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at such an early age – increased risk of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis – she may never be able to conceive a child.
    “Some may say that my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. I wish it were
    “One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but that can’t be proven without surgery. So the insurance has not been willing to cover her medication – the contraception she needs to treat her endometriosis.
    “Recently, another woman told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome and she’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it.
    “Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medications since last August.
    “I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.
    “Because this is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends: A woman’s reproductive health care isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority.
    “One woman told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered on the insurance and she assumed that that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handle all of women’s reproductive and sexual health care. So when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor, even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections, because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that – something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.
    “As one other student put it: ‘This policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.’
    “These are not feelings that male fellow student experience and they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.
    “In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?
    “We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.
    “We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.
    “We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.
    “We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university.
    “We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.
    “And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.
    “Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.
    “The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.
    “Thank you very much.”

Transcript from the Rush Limbaugh Show 2/29/12 - Source: RushLimbaugh.com
RUSH: All the way back in the late 1960s, maybe '70 or early '70. That's The Jimmy Castor Bunch, The Troglodytes, and... (interruption) He died a few weeks ago? I did not know that. I had not heard that. What about The Bunch? The Bunch is still around, but Jimmy Castor passed away. Well, that's where the Butt Sisters were born, Bertha Butt and her sisters. And it all happened on January 7th, New Hampshire. That that you just heard -- that image of Republicans -- was born, once again, on January 7th. And that image has been burnished and it has been flourishing ever since. And since that time, President Obama has mandated that the Pope give away birth control pills and practically perform abortions. (interruption)
I know. I said "practically" that the Pope give away birth control pills and perform abortions. "Practically," I said. It's what I said! There have been congressional hearings on whether or not the president has the right to mandate such things -- and he does not. He's violating the Constitution -- and in those congressional hearings, women ran out, claiming they were not allowed to speak as the Republicans, led by Darrell Issa, wanted to take away their pills. Which nobody has ever said, since January 7th, they wanted to do. The Butt Sisters are safe. And then there is this story from the Cybercast News Service. Here's it is. February 29th, Leap Day:
"A Georgetown co-ed told Rep. Nancy Pelosi's hearing that the women in her law school program are having so much sex that they're going broke, so you and I should pay for their birth control. Speaking at a hearing held by Pelosi to tout Pres. Obama's mandate that virtually every health insurance plan cover the full cost of contraception and abortion-inducing products, Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke said that it's too expensive to have sex in law school without mandated insurance coverage. Apparently, four out of every ten co-eds are having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet if they have to pay for their own contraception, Fluke's research shows."
Can you imagine if you're her parents how proud of Sandra Fluke you would be? Your daughter goes up to a congressional hearing conducted by the Botox-filled Nancy Pelosi and testifies she's having so much sex she can't afford her own birth control pills and she agrees that Obama should provide them, or the Pope. "'Forty percent of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggled financially as a result of this policy (Georgetown student insurance not covering contraception), Fluke reported. It costs a female student $3,000 to have protected sex over the course of her three-year stint in law school, according to her calculations.
"'Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school,' Fluke told the hearing. $3,000 for birth control in three years? That's a thousand dollars a year of sex -- and, she wants us to pay for it." All of this just since January 7th. Just since January 7th. You guys who are thinking you're not gonna go to college? Let me just say one thing to you: Georgetown. They're admitting before congressional committee that they're having so much sex they can't afford the birth control pills! That's all you gotta come up with. And all of this is the Republicans' fault. Sandra Fluke, one of the Butt Sisters, is being dragged out of law school by the hair. Wait 'til Rick Santorum hears about this. Wait 'til Gingrich hears about this! What do you think they'll do? They'll put a stop to this right away! They'll head over that university and they'll stop it!
They'll spy on Sandra Fluke and interrupt her in mid-coitus, and then they'll make 'em get married.
They'll make 'em get married and then make 'em have those babies and make 'em have 10,000 babies and then stay home...
Listening to The Troglodytes by The Jimmy Castor Bunch!
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: What does it say about the college co-ed Sandra Fluke, who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex, what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex. What does that make us? We're the pimps. (interruption) The johns? We would be the johns? No! We're not the johns. (interruption) Yeah, that's right. Pimp's not the right word. Okay, so she's not a slut. She's "round heeled." I take it back.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Well, I guess now we know why Bill Clinton went to Georgetown and why Hillary went to Wellesley. Well, all the sex going on at Georgetown. Sandra Fluke. So much sex going on, they can't afford birth control pills. She said that to Nancy Pelosi yesterday. Pelosi probably said, "Have you heard what Botox costs? I can relate!"
If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?
- Albert Einstein

[robkelk]

Hmmmmm...

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

(looks at other threads about the Catholic Church in this forum)

I think Ms. Fluke needs a serious wake-up call.

I think Mr. Limbaugh went too far in his remarks.

And, of the two of them, I think Mr. Limbaugh makes more sense.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Morganite]

This was brought up on a local radio show, and someone pointed out that they get a 3 month supply of birth control pills from Target for $9. How do you get to $1000 a year from there?

(I'm assuming this number is being claimed as typical, and not an extreme. For people allergic to the typical ones costs can be higher.)

There's a few things I keep wondering on the whole issue. Why isn't the paying for birth control a shared responsibility of the two people having sex? Since they're both having sex and all.

And what's wrong with people buying their own birth control? I'm inclined to think that if you can't afford it yourself, you can't afford the risk of it failing. Besides, condoms aren't *that* expensive if you order bigger boxes.

And finally, I'm not having sex with anyone. Why should I be called upon to subsidize other people having sex? I don't ask them to subsidize my recreational activities.

(On the other hand, I do agree with Fluke on the "other medical needs" thing. I once knew someone who probably wouldn't have lived to reach the age of consent without birth control pills. That sort of thing needs to be handled.)

-Morgan.

[Foxboy]

[Heavy satire tags]
Why's Rush even bothering to apologize? He's NOT sorry, he's PAID to be an asshole, and the woman he's slandering likely can't afford the attorney to sue him for it!

What are these "consequences of one's actions" you speak of? Celebrities never encounter them! *eyeroll*
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''

-- James Nicoll

[ordnance11]

Well, when you start losing 20 or so advertisers, that is definitely a consequence. Now the good news is that there is a company that's willing to step in. A company with a website that matches married people looking to have an affair with someone. Didn't know that sort of thing even existed.
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Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[Rev Dark]

Well a load of shit and a microphone.

This was brought up on a local radio show, and someone pointed out that
they get a 3 month supply of birth control pills from Target for $9. How
do you get to $1000 a year from there?

That sounds like two things.Anecdotal evidence - and bullshit.  Planned Parenthood, place the cost of Birth Control pills at $15.00-$50.00 a month. I think the figure mention was $3,000 over an indeterminate period 4-7 years; the $1,000.00 a year was Mr. Limbaugh's number -though I will note that the price noted for the woman described in Ms. Fluke's testimony was  $100.00 per month - which is over a $1,000 dollars a year.
Here is a nice breakdown of costs. 
http://www.americanprogre...2012/02/pdf/BC_costs.pdf
The pink and wobbly knob that seems to be missing from this conversation is thus.
This is not a discussion in secular learning institutions.  Contraception is part of the insurance program?  Why?  Because Insurance is about reducing risk - and paying out for contraception is a whole fucking lot cheaper than paying out for pregnancy and delivery of a baby - with all the associated costs.  It is a great deal for the students, it is a great deal for the insurers, it is a great deal for the colleges.
The only reason that schools like Georgetown are being put under a microscope is that they want to deny contraception to their students based solely on their feelings that it will make their imaginary sky-daddy cry tears of sorrow and rage as all those eggs and sperm fail to hook up during meet and greet night.  (I am sure those tears are shed at every monthly menstruation that flushes an unused egg, or every night time admission that has the white wrigglers spilling on the linen.)
What utter fucking tosh.
Seriously.  What the fuck.  These misogynist douche-canoes are claiming religious discrimination because they are being forced to offer contraception as part of the coverage.  Denying it to people who want it.  That not discrimination.  That is discriminating.  If you don't like birth control, you don't use it.
Oh and this one from Morganni made me laugh

And finally, I'm not having sex with anyone. Why should I be called upon
to subsidize other people having sex? I don't ask them to subsidize my
recreational activities.

Oh?  So no insurance for recreational activities (you aren't the first to pursue this particular line of thought.)  Out for a job and tear a tendon.  No insurance coverage for you.  Can't have your recreational activities subsidized.  Broken bone in the foot playing soccer.  So sorry, we don't cover recreational activities.  You are on your own.  A case of hemorrhoids so epically swollen that your pet baboon has popped a woody - due to playing too many hours of Warcraft.  So sorry...we don't cover recreational...

And I didn't even mention Limbaugh getting busted for his own 'recreational activities' on his way back from the Dominican Republic.  Well... until now that is.

[Rev Dark]

More Limbaugh misogyny.

So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch

Wow. That's a fucked up statement. Let's just play with it shall we? Just to demonstrate for incredibly stupid it is.

So Mr. Smith and the rest of you irritable bowel sufferers, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your Medicaid supported colonic lavage, and thus pay for your bowel movements. We want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.

So Mr. Smith, Mr. Smith and the rest of you gays getting married and getting the equivalent rights to heterosexual couples, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your equivalent rights under law, and thus pay for your living together in harmony. We want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.

So Private Smith and the rest of you currently serving in the Armed forces, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your bullets, and thus pay for you killing people. We want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.

Rush, please tell me that it was the Oxycontin talking and you don't actually think this is a reasonable argument.

[CattyNebulart]

And finally, I'm not having sex with anyone. Why should I be called upon to subsidize other people having sex? I don't ask them to subsidize my recreational activities.

Rev Dark shot better holes in this than I can but I would like to point out that some forms of birth control do have other effects, eg by affecting the hormone balance.
Part of Ms Fluke's testimony was that some people have things like Ovarian Cysts which does require the use of birth control pills for reasons besides contraception. For those to lazy to follow the link here is the relevant quote from the wiki.

combined methods of hormonal contraception such as the combined oral contraceptive pill – the hormones in the pills may regulate the menstrual cycle, prevent the formation of follicles that can turn into cysts, and possibly shrink an existing cyst. (American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 1999c; Mayo Clinic, 2002e)[8]

Painkillers also have uses beyond blocking pain but no-one is suggesting that medical insurance isn't required to pay for them.
E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?"
B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

[ECSNorway]

Rev, as usual, you're full of shit.

Rush's point is that asking for recreational activity to be paid for by medical insurance is ridiculous. Especially when you're overstating the cost by an order of magnitude, as you yourself noted. Compare it to asking for medical insurance to, say, pay her $50/gallon for gasoline for her dirt-bike so she can ride around mountain trails for the fun of it.

Schools like Georgetown don't want to deny access to contraception. They just don't want to be forced to pay for it.
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Sucrose Octanitrate.
Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode.

[Rev Dark]

ECS pulls it out of his arse and waves it around like a fine flower.

Rush's point is that asking for recreational activity to be paid for by medical insurance is ridiculous.

His plan pays for Viagra.  Of course that didn't stop the bilious bugger from stocking up (and on someone else's prescription no less) on his trip to the Dominican Republic.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-1753947.html
Which one of us was full of shit again? 

Schools like Georgetown don't want to deny access to contraception. They just don't want to be forced to pay for it.

Yes.  They do want to deny access to contraception - but their methods are fiduciary.
And why is that?  As noted previously the reason is not because they want to pay for it; it is because they are fundamentally against contraception.  Fundamentally being the key word as in Fundamentalist fuck-tard.
Georgetown university receives Federal Funds.  As such it is required to honor the separation of church and state.  Denying access to contraception because it makes their imaginary friend sad is a violation of said separation.  Students attending are required to have health insurance and must enroll in the school's plan.  So any additional costs means buying another plan, or paying out of pocket - when a reasonable plan put forward by people who are not god-addled screw-looses covers contraception - because, as described in the previous post - represents excellent value for the insurance dollar; especially when compared to the alternatives.
Oh and to add one more nail in the particular coffin - the plan for Georgetown staff does cover contraceptive services.

[Black Aeronaut]

What Rev said about the Viagra.

Seriously. If these Republican blowhards are so hot on nixing contraceptives from healthcare plans, then they should also be willing to give up on their Viagra, Cyalis, and their Ensite. My Mom's been griping about it the whole time. (Also, back when she was a teen she lost an ovary due to an ovarian cyst, so this kinda hits close to home for her.)

[Morganite]

Because Insurance is about reducing risk - and paying out for contraception is a whole fucking lot cheaper than paying out for pregnancy and delivery of a baby - with all the associated costs.  It is a great deal for the students, it is a great deal for the insurers, it is a great deal for the colleges.

I was under the impression it was about *pooling* risk. I have yet to see an explanation as to why this approach makes sense for what are relatively predictable sets of act and outcome.

you don't actually think this is a reasonable argument.

He *has* been known to say deliberately ridiculous things for dramatic effect.

Rev Dark shot better holes in this than I can but I would like to point out that some forms of birth control do have other effects, eg by affecting the hormone balance. Part of Ms Fluke's testimony was that some people have things like Ovarian Cysts which does require the use of birth control pills for reasons besides contraception. For those to lazy to follow the link here is the relevant quote from the wiki.

Uh, you did see the part in my reply where I mentioned that part, right? That sort of thing should obviously be covered.

Seriously. If these Republican blowhards are so hot on nixing contraceptives from healthcare plans, then they should also be willing to give up on their Viagra, Cyalis, and their Ensite.

I'm not even sure what that last one is. '.'None of the first couple dozen things that google brings up seems entirely relevant.

But those first two? I'd put those on the "list of things one should pay for themself" too.

If Georgetown students are required to get the school insurance plan even if they already have other health insurance, that's a problem in it's own right.

-Morgan.

[Rev Dark]

I was under the impression it was about *pooling* risk. I have yet to
see an explanation as to why this approach makes sense for what are
relatively predictable sets of act and outcome.

Simply put.  People like sex.  People have sex  Insurance is about pooling risk - true - but part of that is mitigation of risk.  There are multiple risks associated with sex; disease, smoking, desire to raid the fridge afterwards, and pregnancy.  If you do not live in a civilized country with  health care, then pregnancy costs money.  It costs a lot of money.  It is cheaper and more effective to pay out for contraceptive services for women than it is to pay for pregnancy.  The pooled risk is reduced.
Where the Georgetown twits drool and gibber is that they do not want to provide it for religious reasons.  Not for costs.  Not for health concerns.  This is about institutionalized, religious, misogyny.
Perhaps only in America - An educated woman who bravely stands up to speak on the need for contraception and a responsible sex life is branded a 'slut' and decried by right wing pigs; while an uneducated, Alaskan bint who practices unsafe sex with no contraception and then fucks off to do 'dancing with the stars'  is a role model.

[Black Aeronaut]

I'm not even sure what that last one is. '.'None of the first couple dozen things that google brings up seems entirely relevant.

Sorry about that.  Should have been 'Enzyte'.  http://www.enzyte.com/

[CattyNebulart]

Uh, you did see the part in my reply where I mentioned that part, right? That sort of thing should obviously be covered.

But those first two? I'd put those on the "list of things one should pay for themself" too.

If Georgetown students are required to get the school insurance plan even if they already have other health insurance, that's a problem in it's own right.

1) Yeah I missed that part, Sorry. It was as much rant at the ignoramuses I had been dealing with all day who seemed not to grasp that. Deciding where you draw the line is going to result in some contortions though I imagine.

2) Again viagra is used for other things besides just sexual performance (though that is it's biggest use).

3) Would you agree that as long as the university requires their plan to be used it should cover things like contraceptives as a matter of principle? Though granted ideally the students wouldn't be forced to take the university plan, but so long as they are that plan should be fairly complete.
E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?"
B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

[ECSNorway]

Catty; the problem there is that there really is no competitive market in health insurance.

Or, rather, there is none for the individual.

Large organizations are able to negotiate massive discounts for group purchases such as employees and students. Individuals don't get access to that.

I know, I've tried. I have a very-expensive-to-treat condition that means I cannot afford to be uninsured, ever. When I looked into the cost of private insurance the plan my employer was offering was about half the overall cost, after deductables, co-pays, and so forth.

As for Sandra Fluke, this woman is not the victim that people are trying to portray her as. She's an activist pretending to be one. She specifically and deliberately enrolled at Georgetown to create this controversy and try to force them to accept policies that violate their religious beliefs.
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As for Sandra Fluke, this woman is not the victim that people are trying
to portray her as. She's an activist pretending to be one. She
specifically and deliberately enrolled at Georgetown to create this
controversy and try to force them to accept policies that violate their
religious beliefs.

Reality called; it wants you to stop embarrassing yourself.
Point the first.
Fist off Georgetown offers contraceptive services in the health plan for the staff of the college.  The option is not available for students; who have to enroll in the school plan that deliberately omits contraceptive services.
Point the Second.
You have it ass backwards.  Fluke is not trying to force them to accept policies that violate their religious belief.  She is trying to stop them from forcing their religious beliefs on their students.
Point the Third.
She is an activist.  She is willing to stand up, bravely,  in front of Congress and state, unequivocally that students of Georgetown are being screwed due to a bunch of rules inherited by bronze age douche-bags who have not made it to the modern century.  For her bravery; misogynist, hypocrite,  dick-wads such as Limbaugh call her a 'slut' and ask her to post videos of her having sex online.  For requesting the same insurance coverage that students get in secular institutions.  For requesting the same coverage that staff of Georgetown university already get.   For requesting the same coverage that students in secular schools get.
Here is a quick bio from Georgetown's own page.
http://www.law.georgetown.edu/pils/CurrentPILS.htm
Simply put, on the basis of her actions in serving the causes of women she is a better human being than I am.  Better than you are.  Certainly better than Rush and his steaming pile of sycophants; and better than the fucker in the funny hat and all his little misogynist imps who want to deny basic contraception on the basis of their bronze age barbarity.
I am sorry about your personal health insurance situation; you country, admirable in so many ways, is completely fucked up when it comes to health care.