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Dallas, we have a problem
10-12-2014, 09:04 PM
2nd case of Ebola..which happened a nurse who was taking care of of Thomas Duncan. Who may have removed her mask or suit top to touch her face with her gloves. So, now you have to monitor isolate and monitor her 18 co-workers. And their close contacts.
The hospitals around Dallas will have to drill into their healthcare workers. Follow the checklist by the numbers. Unless you want to get infected with a disease with a mortality rate greater than 50 percent. Dallas and Texas may have to start planning for quarantine protocols for neighborhoods just in case.
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Not to mention making sure that everyone and their mother knows how the virus is transmitted. Really, that's one of the biggest advantages we have.
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Except for journalists who defy quarantine to grab some take-away. That's how zombie apocalypses start.
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According to CBS radio news this morning, a second nurse has contracted the disease, and has informed the press that contrary to the hospital's initial announcements, they had no procedures and protocols in place for handing seriously infectious patients. They were apparently reduced to using surgical tape to try to seal their gowns against Duncan's vomitus and diarrhea before the hospital got its head out of its ass.
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So much for the claim that Ebola wouldn't spread in a western health system. Also making things even more interesting we find out that the second nurse had been on a flight from Cleveland the day before the diagnosis...So now they've got to track down all 132 passengers from that flight as well.
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Bob Schroeck Wrote:According to CBS radio news this morning, a second nurse has contracted the disease, and has informed the press that contrary to the hospital's initial announcements, they had no procedures and protocols in place for handing seriously infectious patients. They were apparently reduced to using surgical tape to try to seal their gowns against Duncan's vomitus and diarrhea before the hospital got its head out of its ass. That explains why CDC is stepping in...
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Quote:Bob Schroeck wrote:
According to CBS radio news this morning, a second nurse has contracted the disease, and has informed the press that contrary to the hospital's initial announcements, they had no procedures and protocols in place for handing seriously infectious patients. They were apparently reduced to using surgical tape to try to seal their gowns against Duncan's vomitus and diarrhea before the hospital got its head out of its ass.
Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas may be getting an OSHA inspection. There's at least 2 violations of the OSHA standards that I can see right now. And the second patient is being transferred to Emory University in Atlanta. They may have to start sending Ebola patients to 4 hospitals that are equipped and trained of these type of diseases. Of course, they have their own problems. The county where Emory was threatening to shut down utilities if Ebola waste went down the drain. and the pizza guys refused to go near the hospital.
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/blo ... al-in-dal/
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Quote:robkelk wrote:
Quote:Bob Schroeck wrote:
According to CBS radio news this morning, a second nurse has contracted the disease, and has informed the press that contrary to the hospital's initial announcements, they had no procedures and protocols in place for handing seriously infectious patients. They were apparently reduced to using surgical tape to try to seal their gowns against Duncan's vomitus and diarrhea before the hospital got its head out of its ass.
That explains why CDC is stepping in...
Rob, that means the CDC will have to send a team to every hospital every time there's a possible threat. Which is going to smack of Big Brother, with the Big "B". Just to oversee something that the hospitals had been warned way beforehand. CDC does not have infinite people to go around. At the rate things are going, we will probably have an Ebola outbreak here in the U.S., Why? Because of stupidity.
Edit: I wondering if the CDC does have enforcement authority over hospitals? The CDC website states:
Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized
to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the
United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying
these communicable diseases.
Nowhere does it say the CDC can take control of your hospital. But since the President authorized it, who is going to argue about it?
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ordnance11 Wrote:Rob, that means the CDC will have to send a team to every hospital every time there's a possible threat. Which is going to smack of Big Brother, with the Big "B". ... I agree on the first sentence, but fail to see how the second sentence follows from that premise.
They're the experts. They should be going in.
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Quote:robkelk wrote:
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Rob, that means the CDC will have to send a team to every hospital every time there's a possible threat. Which is going to smack of Big Brother, with the Big "B". ...
I agree on the first sentence, but fail to see how the second sentence follows from that premise.
They're the experts. They should be going in.
The Tea Partiers will decry it as Presidential overeach. I'm surprised they're not growling about it. It also poses the question of whether the CDC can unilaterally take over parts of a private facility? But since it looks like private hospitals can't be trusted to respond effectively, it might have to.
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Quote:ordnance11 wrote:
Quote:robkelk wrote:
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Rob, that means the CDC will have to send a team to every hospital every time there's a possible threat. Which is going to smack of Big Brother, with the Big "B". ...
I agree on the first sentence, but fail to see how the second sentence follows from that premise.
They're the experts. They should be going in.
The Tea Partiers will decry it as Presidential overeach. I'm surprised they're not growling about it. It also poses the question of whether the CDC can unilaterally take over parts of a private facility? But since it looks like private hospitals can't be trusted to respond effectively, it might have to.
Probably because as much as Tea Partiers think that God will protect them, they don't want to take any chances on winding up shitting out their intestinal linings.
By all means, now that one hospital has demonstrated penultimate incompetence, send in the specialists. If nothing else then to make sure that procedure is followed.
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Such conservative radio people as I've heard talking about the issue seem to be all for greater CDC involvement.
Maybe it'd be a better idea to respond to things people have actually said (if anyone says something you feel needs response) rather than making something up so you can decry it?
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I'm hearing that schools in the area are being closed to avoid having children congregate and spread stuff around.
And one of the people on the affected nurse's flight was a schoolteacher...
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I really hate to be the person that sat on the seat that nurse was placed previously.
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And this morning, we hear that someone who may have handled ebola samples at the hospital took off on a Caribbean cruise. He's currently in isolation on the cruise ship, being watched by the ship's doctor and is showing no symptoms, but still -- dear freaking god how stupid are these people at that hospital?
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Bob, you start down the food chain:
1. Hospital administrator2. Chief Nursing officer3. Infection control nurse - who is the go to person in these matters4. Lab administrator5. Plant facility manager - who may take care of supply6. head shift nurses7. Accounting - who buys the PPE8. Human Resources
Plus if you have a union - Get the union reps. If you have temp nurses - grab the temp agency rep.
All of them have to be on the same page. All of them have to be prepared.
What is coming out is that there is no plan to deal with someone walking in with Ebola. And when it did come, management couldn't handle it. Why did they not ask help from the CDC, county and state health authorities? No idea.
CDC was focused on tracing contact to make sure the disease was not spreading out beyond patient zero. Their unspoken assumption was the hospital was competent enough to handle it. Turns out they were not.
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*Shakes head sadly.* I think what may have happened was that someone was trying on boots that were way too big to fill. It happens more often than not here - someone thinks they're big shit here and thinks they don't need any help from anyone 'on the outside' and wind up biting off more than they can chew.
Now the whole damn nation is about to choke on it.
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President appoints ebola czar
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... nsentreu11
I would had been more happier if he appointed someone from the who had knowledge/experience on dealing with similar diseases. My ideal choice would had been someone who works at USAMIID.
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People who have experience dealing with similar diseases are people who were in charge up until now ... and look what happened. An outside perspective may be necessary.
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And not for profit don't have the money to cover the expenses of preparing for it
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Rajvik noted Quote:And not for profit don't have the money to cover the expenses of preparing for it
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Exactly. This is something that must be done but the private sector is unwilling or unable to do - so the government has to do it.
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Except the government is in the pocket of the private sector (at least, in the US) so they are seriously curtailed in what they can actually do without getting ousted in the next election due to lack of campaign funds.
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Rajvik Wrote:And not for profit don't have the money to cover the expenses of preparing for it
IIRC, most hospitals are 'Not For Profit'.
It's an Oxymoron. Like 'Land of the Free'
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