"Could non-citizens decide the November election?"

[TheTwisted1]

So ask researchers http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -election/:

Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens? Some argue that incidents of voting by non-citizens are so rare as to be http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-f ... oter-fraud, with efforts to block fraud a screen for an agenda to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising the franchise, while others define such incidents as a threat to itself. Both sides depend more heavily on anecdotes than data.

In a http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9414000973 in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.

The outcome:

How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections.

Patrick "Patterico" Frey http://patterico.com/2014/10/24/wapo-pu ... very-blog/ a bit more:

The progressive think tank http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ ... n-today-3/ puts the number of noncitizens in the U.S. at 22.1 million in 2012. Of these, “13.3 million were legal permanent residents, 11.3 million were unauthorized migrants, and 1.9 million were on temporary visas.” These numbers are roughly consistent with numbers offered by the http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/sta ... e_2011.pdf (.pdf) and http://kaiserhealthnews.org/news/health ... mmigrants/. So let’s take 22 million as our number of noncitizens.

Richman and Earnest estimate that 6.4% of noncitizens voted in 2008. 6.4% of 22 million is 1,408,000.

That’s 1.4 million illegal votes likely cast in the presidential election of 2008.

Richman and Earnest also estimate that 2.2% of noncitizens voted in 2010. (In off-year elections, such as 2010 and the approaching election in 2014, turnout is obviously lower.) 2.2% of 22 million is 484,000. That’s nearly half a million illegal votes likely cast in the election of 2010 (and the same number could be cast in the upcoming election).

(emphasis in original)

So, count this as yet another example of how "democracy" is a sham: there are always Gracchi Brothers ready to gain power by expanding (and diluting) the franchise.

Note also from Richman and Earnest:

We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.

So don't expect the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_(profe ... wrestling) Republicans to be fixing this.

--The Twisted One
"If you
wish to converse with me, define your
terms."

--Voltaire

[robkelk]

Hang on a minute - are you saying that people who have lived in a particular place for years and have paid taxes there are supposed to be disenfranchised because they haven't finished going through the citizenship process? Didn't you folks have a revolution about that a couple of centuries ago?

(Just thought I'd spin this in the opposite direction...)
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Rev Dark]

They are making some pretty big claims based on some very small samples and their conclusions and extrapolations on the data are shite.  Math - they are doing it wrong.

32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the
non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489
in 2010.