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Thoughts for DSKS: Hit-Girl
Thoughts for DSKS: Hit-Girl
#1
I decided to spin this thread off, to be kind to others ;P
I was thinking about how to introduce Hit-Girl, and quickly realized that she needs to establish her "Holy Shit Quotient" early.  I can't imagine anything better than single-handedly taking on a group of youma (since Zeke took on one).  Drawing a bit of inspiration from the movie, I had a scene polayed through my head the battlefield being clouded up by something and our heroes coming by the youma one by one, their defeated crumbling forms, until eventually they find Hit-Girl taking out the last couple in a particularly (over-the-top) gruesome fashion.
In short, I'm thinking that whomever sees the carnage (with the possible exception of Sousuke) has to at least think 'holy shit' upon seeing the wreckage.
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#2
Iiiiiinnnnteresting....

Although I can't really see her as being part of anyone's harem in particular. She'd probably be one of the few indie characters.

I can see her being hired out to protect some member of one of the harems.

Actually, I think Sousuke would be freaked out as well. Because he can tell that taking down Hit-Girl would a difficult undertaking even for him. (What? The whole Laura-Croft-ain't-got-shit-on-me-double-mid-air reload wasn't your first clue?)
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#3
blackaeronaut Wrote:She'd probably be one of the few indie characters.   I can see her being hired out to protect some member of one of the harems.

Actually, I think Sousuke would be freaked out as well. Because he can tell that taking down Hit-Girl would a difficult undertaking even for him. (What? The whole Laura-Croft-ain't-got-shit-on-me-double-mid-air reload wasn't your first clue?)
Running with this thought, consider Hit-Girl working for Mithril.  This could let Sousuke know about her, and give her a reasonable explanation for her gear and weapons being in country.  It's also justify her piloting a Arm Slave, and even more nifty personal gear.  Heck, if she's from a different portion of Mithril, her presence could be a bit of exposition of just how bad things are.  (The higher-ups must be getting desperate if she's here)  That tack has the side benefit of Sasuke knowing her by reputation, but not in person.
As a side note, she's shown attending high school at the end of the movie, something like 4 years ahead.  This alone could justify her knowing Japanese.  (And maybe her dad had a few violent anime for her to watch growing up)
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#4
Ahhh. You see, I have not yet had the chance to enjoy this movie yet.

Wonder how she'll bounce off of Zeke and his attitude of, "If a BFG doesn't do the trick, then how about 32 warheads on his forehead?"

Mind if I hijack this to discuss other sundry DSKS ideas?
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#5
Go right ahead.
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#6
blackaeronaut Wrote:Ahhh. You see, I have not yet had the chance to enjoy this movie yet.

Wonder how she'll bounce off of Zeke and his attitude of, "If a BFG doesn't do the trick, then how about 32 warheads on his forehead?"
Hit-Girl seems to appreciate skill over raw power, but it's kinda hard to tell, since she freaks out her opponents.
(The gangster bad guys are done with a comedic flair:  (paraphrazing a bit)
   "Jesus! They're all dead!"
   "She's in the kitchen, and out of ammo.  We got her pinned down."
   "If she's out of ammo, why don't you go and kill her?"
   "... you go."
   "No, man you go.  And take my gun."  (An assault rifle)
   [shoots up the kitchen]
   "See?, That did---urk"
   [two (thrown) kitchen knives stick out of his chest as he collapses]
Hit-Girl was definitely the star of the movie--she ran away with it.
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Other Ideas...
#7
robkelk Wrote:This
comment by Shadowjack in the current IWIW Sailor Moon thread:
Quote:I
notice that it's been fairly consistent what gets [Ami's] righteous
dander up: kids getting hurt, and close friends getting fucked with. Let
us hope that if she ever has kids herself, no one dares touch them,
because she'd call up a tsunami…
made me wonder - Is Dr.
Mizuno Ami by any chance the pediatrician for Takamachi Nanoha? It would
explain where the younger MG got some of her attitudes...
Why thanks, Rob!  That's a beautiful bit of interconnectedness I can throw in just for fun.  Think she'd be in on the whole Ninja thing?
I'm kinda interested in the idea of Precia Testarossa getting all the Jewel Seeds she needs to pull off her big interdimensional cross-rip into El Hazard.  however, with so many interested parties looking for the blasted things (Nanoha, Precia/Fate, TSAB, AMALGAM, MITHRIL, and Zeke & Friends) it's gonna turn into a cluster-f*** real quick.  Of course, some of them will ally with each other once they see where things are going (Nanoha, TSAB, MITHRIL, and Zeke & Friends) but that leaves both AMALGAM and Precia to deal with separately.
Also, there was the brilliant little jewel I thought of here.  Guess what?  I got the clincher: Precia's still dying of that disease - Usagi's Moon Healing was enough to fix her head, and her body, but not whatever is slowly killing her.  Kinda like excising that nasty brain tumor, only to find later on you missed a bit and it's metastasizing.  At best, she's probably got a year.
So, Precia spends a few months mothering the hell outta Fate, and also making arrangements with Lindsy to become the legal guardian afterwards... And then she sacrifices what time she has left so that Alicia can be among the living once more.
Also seems to fit in with the series' program of redemption and rebirth through self-sacrifice (remember Reinforce).
Hrm... Alicia Testarossa, Chaos Walker in service to Raven...  How's that swing you folks?
Weaponry!  Got some ideas there.
For one thing, I think I could see Zeke having something to do with Nanoha's CW-AEC02X Strike Cannon (as discussed here in General).  After all, I'm thinking of outfitting him with something like it, only instead of a Belkan cartridge system, it would be directly powered by an emotionally dampened Jewel Seed.  At least, that's the prototype, and by then he's got a workshop funded by MITHRIL to work out of.  they just love those nifty little toys he's been cooking up like Mage-tech EMP Grenades, and Caster Rifles.  *Grins in the direction of Gene Starwind.*
Also, been thinking about the whole sword thing.  Yeah, I've seen you guys giving me expectant looks, so I might as well cave.
Zeke's going to have four armor sets that's inspired by Zoids (forget which series - main character had a mysterious White Liger that got outfitted with an awesome modular armor system early on).
Basic is going to be just that - a good all-round set of armor and weaponry.
Jeager is his high-mobility platform - light-weight with speed boosters, relying on one swift strike to fell an opponent.
Schneider is a melee platform.  Walking Lawnmowers comes to mind.  Wink
Panzer - slow, heavy armor, BFGs, and a mild tendency to overheat.
Weaknesses can be similar.  In order to change, Zeke will have get to the mobile unit that's toting the goods, and the change-out takes a moment.  This is good because, like in the anime, he could be isolated from the battle tender and be stuck with an entirely ill-suited armor.
Inspiration for 'blade' weapons for Zeke is going to come when he meets a certain group of aliens and he has an up close look at a certain sword.  Of course, anything Zeke makes won't stand up to the Tenchi-ken unless he's in all-out God mode.  (In which case everything else pretty much just becomes a moot point - Raven calls any weaponry 'added flavor' at this point.)
So, thoughts?
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#8
paladindythe Wrote:Hit-Girl seems to appreciate skill over raw power, but it's kinda hard to tell, since she freaks out her opponents.
Indeed!  For all her hardware, she does bring a certain minimalist mindset, doesn't she?  Much like how rather than deal with that one sword-wielder in the expected manner, Indiana Jones just shoots the poor sap.
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#9
blackaeronaut Wrote:Hrm... Alicia Testarossa, Chaos Walker in service to Raven...  How's that swing you folks?
I'd have to see the concept in action before I could judge it.  There's not too much to go on from Alicia's personality, besides being a sweet little girl who loves her mommy.
Quote:Weaponry!  Got some ideas there.
For one thing, I think I could
see Zeke having something to do with Nanoha's CW-AEC02X Strike Cannon
(as discussed here in General). 
After all, I'm thinking of outfitting him with something like it, only
instead of a Belkan cartridge system, it would be directly powered by an
emotionally dampened Jewel Seed.  At least, that's the prototype, and
by then he's got a workshop funded by MITHRIL to work out of.  they just
love those nifty little toys he's been cooking up like Mage-tech EMP
Grenades, and Caster Rifles.  *Grins in the direction of Gene Starwind.*
The question becomes "Where do you want the story to end?"  I'm thinking that there's enough going on that you don't need a superbly complicated power set for Zeke, merely an effective one.  Of course, succumbing for "feature-itis" and dealing with the result could be a worth-while character growth opportunity.  He himself said it earlier:  You work is done when there is nothing left to take away.  Being human, he'll forget this if/when he gets consumed by an idea, and tries his damnedest to get it to work, ignoring a whole bunch of little signs that he's going about it the wrong way.  Pure determination gets his project functional, but the drawbacks bite him in the ass eventually.
That'd be my take on using a Jewel Seed as a power source.
Quote:Also,
been thinking about the whole sword thing.  Yeah, I've seen you guys
giving me expectant looks, so I might as well cave.
Zeke's going
to have four armor sets that's inspired by Zoids (forget which series -
main character had a mysterious White Liger that got outfitted with an
awesome modular armor system early on).
Basic is going to be just
that - a good all-round set of armor and weaponry.
Jeager is his
high-mobility platform - light-weight with speed boosters, relying on
one swift strike to fell an opponent.
Schneider is a melee platform. 
Walking Lawnmowers comes to mind.  Wink
Panzer - slow, heavy armor,
BFGs, and a mild tendency to overheat.
Weaknesses can be
similar.  In order to change, Zeke will have get to the mobile unit
that's toting the goods, and the change-out takes a moment.  This is
good because, like in the anime, he could be isolated from the battle
tender and be stuck with an entirely ill-suited armor.
Inspiration

for 'blade' weapons for Zeke is going to come when he meets a certain
group of aliens and he has an up close look at a certain sword.  Of
course, anything Zeke makes won't stand up to the Tenchi-ken unless he's
in all-out God mode.  (In which case everything else pretty much just
becomes a moot point - Raven calls any weaponry 'added flavor' at this
point.)
I've seen the series you're talking about.  You may wanna massage that idea into an Arm Slave/mecha, rather than something personal.  It seems a little too unwieldly as something personal.  But that may be just my bias towards Giant Robots showing ^^;
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Quote:paladindythe wrote:
The question becomes "Where do you want the story to end?"
Heh.  Good question, and one for which I think I have the answer for.
I want Zeke to be overseeing the terreformation of Mars as he thinks back on his life and family, and how it's been a good life.  MITHRIL has been pretty much reduced to a police force, making sure that the malcontents of the Earth don't cause undue trouble.  The Senshi rule over their own colonies.  Rei and Zeke still have the harem to contend with, but at least nowadays a pecking order has been established - they just count their lucky stars that his adventurous life left him with an ever-energetic constitution.
The TSAB decided that it was better to keep Riot Force 6 on a permanent outpost in The Belt - most of the trouble crops up there anyways.  This not only makes Sol system a very tough nut to crack, but also the place to go to if you need some ridiculously high-powered mages.  And that's to say nothing of the support hardware, as Sol-built ships are considered rivaled only by the Juraian's great tree-ships.  It was also the place to go for commerce as the Oni had set up an outstanding trade hub and tourist resort there.
Quote:paladindythe wrote:
That'd be my take on using a Jewel Seed as a power source.
Well, Zeke's got control issues.  How bad are they?  Well, in chapter when he gets attacked by a Cardian he has to pull out all the stops to kill it, so he summons an F-4 tornado.  His control will improve over time, though.
Quote:paladindythe wrote:
I've seen the series you're talking about.  You may wanna massage that
idea into an Arm Slave/mecha, rather than something personal.  It seems a
little too unwieldly as something personal.  But that may be just my
bias towards Giant Robots showing ^^;
You're probably right about that.  That setup was actually originally something I wanted for my old cyborg character.  Funny how these things get mixed up.
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#11
blackaeronaut Wrote:
robkelk Wrote:This comment by Shadowjack in the current IWIW Sailor Moon thread:
Quote:I notice that it's been fairly consistent what gets [Ami's] righteous dander up: kids getting hurt, and close friends getting fucked with. Let us hope that if she ever has kids herself, no one dares touch them, because she'd call up a tsunami…
made me wonder - Is Dr. Mizuno Ami by any chance the pediatrician for Takamachi Nanoha? It would explain where the younger MG got some of her attitudes...
Why thanks, Rob!  That's a beautiful bit of interconnectedness I can throw in just for fun.  Think she'd be in on the whole Ninja thing?
I was thinking that Ami would be Nanoha's doctor, but since in DSKS Ami is still in high school, it'll need to be Ami's mother who is Nanoha's doctor.

And if mama-sensei was in on the Ninja thing, it would explain why she isn't freaked out when... sorry, if ... she discovers her daugher is a magical girl.

blackaeronaut Wrote:Hrm... Alicia Testarossa, Chaos Walker in service to Raven...  How's that swing you folks?
We'll just nickname her Mayo-chan.

(Kidding! Just Kidding! I am not seriously suggesting a Fenspace crossover here!)
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"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
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#12
I'm not familiar with Nanoha, but could Precia mistake Sailor Moon's Silver Crystal as one of these Jewel Shards? (hell, maybe it is one)
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#13
Timote Wrote:I'm not familiar with Nanoha, but could Precia mistake Sailor Moon's Silver Crystal as one of these Jewel Shards? (hell, maybe it is one)
... it's not likely. It may have been originally created with similar methods, though.
The Silver Crystal is to a Jewel Seed what a nuclear reactor is to a lead-acid car battery. It's capable of literally restructuring an entire solar system.
What's likely to happen is, Precia gets wind of it, sees it in action, and goes, "It must be mine!" and sends Fate after it, since with that, she doesn't need the Jewel Shards. She can just finish everything in one shot.
What she doesn't know (unless we're after the end of Season 1 of Sailor Moon at the time) is that it can in fact accomplish her real goal (resurrect Alicia), not just her pathway to that goal (rip open the dimensional boundaries so she can access Al-Hazard).
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#14
ECSNorway Wrote:What she doesn't know (unless we're after the end of Season 1 of Sailor Moon at the time) is that it can in fact accomplish her real goal (resurrect Alicia), not just her pathway to that goal (rip open the dimensional boundaries so she can access Al-Hazard).
We're gonna be either well into season two or season three by this point.
Restructuring the Solar System... doesn't that come at some sort of cost?  As does resurecting someone?  Because no matter what, that's a pretty damn big power to leave in the hands of one person - make Zeke's power set (who some people are saying looks like a bit of a Gary Stue) look quaint by comparison.
  
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#15
Possible spoilers for Sailor Moon, but You Should Know This Already.
Yeah, it does.  The big resurrection at the end of season one was supposed to come at the cost of Usagi's life, but because of the content of the wish, she was brought back too.  My personal interpretation is that this is why they lost their memories, and why Moon's powers didn't work correctly at towards the start of season two.  Them losing their memories was, in my opinion, because they all lost their 'lives' as Senshi as the price for Usagi's resurrection. Once their memories were restored, Usagi's powers went on the blink, and it was stated in series that this was because she was trying to live two lives at once, that of Tsukino Usagi and that of Sailor Moon.
The other time the Silver Crystal was full power that I can remember, there were two of them due to time travel, and part of both of the user's wishes was that the other user be resurrected, so it balanced out somehow, I think.
As for the Gary Stu thing you mentioned, I hate to say it, but Zeke does seem to me to be fairly close to the edge there.  He's a Spark (basically) who is also a partially trained shaman who is/will be the Avatar of a god, has a father who is decently ranked in some military force (I can't remember the details off the top of my head, rank or organization), and a grandfather who is a fully trained and powerful shaman.  He is getting training in his spiritual powers from his almost girlfriend/fiancee who appears to be quickly falling in love with him (or at least is strongly attracted to him), and also happens to be one of the Sailor Senshi.  Also, their grandfathers both know each other, and apparently set up this situation, even though they happened to meet by accident before knowing that.  All this mostly in the first four or five chapters, unless something is from a snippet that occurs later, or I'm not remembering something correctly.  If I have misunderstood something, please let me know.
If you don't mind a few suggestions on toning it down slightly, I have a few ideas. 
First, regarding the Raven avatar powers, you might want to put some strict limits onto those, which Raven can ignore when he wants.  This would be for things like resurrecting Alica and the like.  Unfortunately, gods aren't supposed to interfere directly like that, that's the reason for having champions and avatars and such in the first place, so when Raven does something big like that, it would burn out Zeke's powers for some period of time.  Obviously, this would happen at the worst possible time, and hilarity would ensue.
For the Spark bit, why not make him a Whispered instead?  It would allow for most of the same stuff, since they are supposed to be sources of unusually advanced and near-impossible technology.  The side effects of being a Whispered, on the other hand, I can see synergizing in a very bad way with his spiritual powers.  Rewatch the bits in episodes 6 and 7 of Full Metal Panic where Kaname's powers first activate, and imagine how something like that could go for someone who is spiritually sensitive.  Ouch.
I hope you don't mind my saying all this.  If you don't like the ideas, please just ignore them.
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#16
Thanks for the tips on the Silver Moon Crystal - much appreciated. (^_^)
Dude.. You just had to get me started on TV Tropes...
As for counteracting Zeke's Gary-Stueness... Well, for one, Raven's making him into a Butt Monkey.  This actually classifies him as a Cosmic Plaything as Raven does indeed like him in a very abusive way.  (Definitely applies under paragraph two of that TV Tropes article - he knows what's up, he even knows one of the rules, but unfortunately that rule is "Raven is as unpredictable as Murphy's Law - in fact, Murphy is his freakin' love child.")  Overlaps with Powers That Be.
Making him into a Woobie not intended, but welcome.  (Specifically, Iron Woobie.  If he were to turn into Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds then Raven would probably kill him in an instant.)
Eventually evolves into Badassify-a-Buttmonkey because, of course, this is what Raven wanted all along.
Assistance in my cause is welcome, especially in keeping him from becoming a Game Breaker.  And mucho kudos for anyone that can come up with incosequential situations that illustrate just how much Raven loves Zeke.  (You know, those EEK! The Cat moments.)
As for Sparks and Whispered, I already mentioned before that in my storyline, Sparks were simply a sort of proto-Whispered.  Up until the 20th Century, most Whispered had no freakin clue how to deal with even a fraction of the nonsense running through their heads, so most of them went completely around the bend.  Only a few of them retained enough of their sanity to do truly great (and sometimes awful) things.  A shining example is the woman whom Zeke is directly descended from: Agatha Rachel Steam, renown in DSKS-verse for being the Mother of all Mecha (designed locomotion system later used for the Khobu).
Once the planetary tech level became advanced enough that Sparks could start to grasp the ultra-tech conscepts in their heads, they became known as Whispered instead.  Of course, Whispered still have a tendency to go off the deep end like their Spark-forebearers, especially if they are pushed into it through severe adversity.  (Like that first girl we see in FMP.)
Oh, and Rob...
Quote:robkelk wrote:

We'll just nickname her Mayo-chan.
(Kidding! Just Kidding! I am not seriously suggesting a Fenspace crossover here!)
You have no idea, do you?  Observe, if you will, the abomination known as Chibi-chibi.
The Starseed of Sailor Galaxia imprints off Zeke instead of Usagi, and becomes Mayonaka-in-spirit in the DSKS-verse.  Mayhem ensues.  (It would seem that her Starseed didn't escape entirely without some coruption from Chaos in the DSKS-verse.  Might be helpful in the future, really.)
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#17
Thanks.  I had forgotten what you had said about Sparks and Whispered before, so I was thinking they were two separate things.  On the subject of Whispered though, (FMP novel spoilers)
Summary: 
Maybe in your 'verse, Whispered are even rarer, as only those born in the correct timeframe who would have become Sparks become Whispered.  The shortage of Whispered could be compensated for by the existence of Sparks. Also,
Anyway, perhaps the shaman abilities and the Spark/Whispered thing could stem from the same source, a higher then normal level of spiritual sensitivity? This could also explain the avatar thing, as it seems reasonable to assume that to even be a potential avatar, one would need to be extremely sensitive to spirits. I think this might make it a bit easier to buy Zeke having all these powers, and learning to use them together later, if they are all seen as growing out of the same root.
My impression of Raven, going by what you've said, is that he should be a near perfect example of Blue and Orange Morality.  There are reasons for most of what he does, but since Raven is a god, a good deal of them are beyond mortal comprehension.  As it notes on the trope page though, this is rather difficult to show, but I think there is a decent chance that it would go both ways to some degree.  This would mean that Raven doesn't completely understand human morality either, modern or otherwise, so some of the things Raven could do might be easily misunderstood.  For example, setting his avatar up with a harem, which to a god might seem like a reasonable birthday gift, but it instead ends up as more of a love dodecahedron.   We've already got Rei, and Lum is getting close, as best I can tell, if it goes the same way as in the manga.  Just toss in a few others, preferably with three letter English names.
As a side note, what are the other gods doing?  Choosing an avatar is presumably a rare event, so if something is coming that warrants selecting an avatar, other gods might be taking some action too.  It could go a long way towards making Zeke not appear to be a game breaker, as you said, if it is apparent that there are others with similar powers running around. Maybe just Champions, instead of full on Avatars. It wouldn't need to be much more than a name drop and an occasional cameo, just to let the reader know that Zeke isn't entirely unique.  It could also be neat seeing one or a few whose goals are at right angles to Zeke's.  For example, Zeke is tasked with retrieving the Amulet of Maguffin and placing it in the Vault of Safetyness, to prevent the Forces of Evil from using it.  The Forces of Evil want to steal the Amulet, to complete their diabolical plans, MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Meanwhile, Avatar Bee has been granted the awesome duty of ensuring that the Amulet of Maguffin is not removed from the Hall of Amulets, in the Temple of Holiness.  Cue three way fight scene. 
(Wow, I had way too much fun with that.)
Raven isn't the only god, right?
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blackaeronaut Wrote:Well, for one, Raven's making him into a Butt Monkey
As I recall the stories, Raven created humanity because Raven wanted something interesting in the world. And there's nothing more interesting than your own personal chew toy...
blackaeronaut Wrote:Oh, and Rob...
Quote:robkelk wrote:

We'll just nickname her Mayo-chan.
(Kidding! Just Kidding! I am not seriously suggesting a Fenspace crossover here!)
You have no idea, do you?  Observe, if you will, the abomination known as Chibi-chibi.
I've seen Stars, thank you.
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"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
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#19
Sheesh.  Meant to make a post a while ago, but work has been absolutely insane lately.  I barely have a life unto myself, and whenever my fiance is available... well, you know.
ANYhow...
Yes, Raven does indeed have the Blue and Orange Morality thing going, but it will all turn out well in the end.  He loves a good bit of chaos, but he'd also like a Universe that's not trying to implode every thousand-odd-years or so.  Hence Zeke and his Harem.  (Hint: he wants to make damn sure there's a legacy this time.)
BTW: That Love Dodecahedron entry has to be one of the more fun ones to read.  You bastard, you...  Wink
Kudos to the troper responsible for this tidbit on Martian Successor Nadesico:
The trope is even invoked during the dub's opening prologue, as
delivered by the Little
Miss Snarker:
Ruri: And what started
out as a love triangle has become a septagon by my count...

Anyhow, back on track here...
RE: Other Gods.
Definitely present and eventually to be accounted for.  Everybody's favorite Nourns are gonna be making an appearance.
"No, Skuld, he has enough women to deal with.  Maybe when you're older and he has everything sorted out..."
And so will the Tsunami-Washu-Tokimi Triumvirate.  (This gives Zeke his look at the Tenchi-ken, and the opening for him to build a beam-saber of his own... though it won't be a match for the Tenchi-ken by any stretch.  Also provides another male for commiseration of harem woes.)
Now, from the Nourns, I can see Skuld crushing from afar (such a magnificent engineer), Urd trying to help Zeke (with predictable results), and Belldandy trying to keep things under control while she gives Zeke the Advanced Course.  (For the curious, Zeke actually is listed as having a Learner's Permit.)
From the Tenchi-verse Goddesses though... from there will come practical experience in dealing directly with higher-level entities as he takes part in the Ryo Ohki arc.  The climax will be one of the few times we get to see Zeke go God-Mode and still be relatively in control.
And, of course, there will be the ones that I like to think of as Elementals: personifications of foundations of the Universe.  Things like Chaos, and Entropy.  Can anyone think of others?
Rob, you mentioned before that you had seen Stars, didn't you?  Sorry, didn't mean to come off as being rude.  But anyhow, Mayonaka is just too much fun to keep in Fenspace alone, so she's going to be playing the role of Chibi-chibi here.  Wink
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Quote:BTW: That Love Dodecahedron entry has to be one of the more fun ones to read. You bastard, you... Wink
Thankyew. I coined the term and wrote the original article, which of course has grown and mutated over the years.
Quote:(For the curious, Zeke actually is listed as having a Learner's Permit.)
Continuing and extending the original licensing joke, I see...
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
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#21
Bob Schroeck Wrote:
Quote:(For the curious, Zeke actually is listed as having a Learner's Permit.)
Continuing and extending the original licensing joke, I see...
But of course!  After dealing with strange happenings at the Masaki Residence, he gets upgraded to having a Probationary License, and then he goes from there.  In the epilogue, we'll see him with the title Avatar, 1st Class, Unlimited.
Of course, the difference between 'Avatar' and 'God(dess)' is that an Avatar sees more action - direct intervention on all scales in the mortal plane is their thing and they specialize in using just enough force to do the job.  They also serve as a divine First Responder, being on mortal plane already and all.  The God(desse)s are upper management that do stints 'working in the trenches' every now and then.  Bell and her sisters are a special case.
Oh, and it just occurred to me... Marler and Hild... I'm a little uncertain as how they would respond to Zeke.  Of course, he's going to be putting off the 'Back of, you don't want to screw with this' vibe, but I suspect it wouldn't stop them from trying something.  I'm pretty sure they wouldn't try possessions or direct corruption.  Unlike a certain normal who jumps universes every time he zonks out, Zeke's code would be compatible... but the problem is what do you do with the Almighty sitting on the other end who is doubtlessly furious about your screwing around with his personal toy/vessel?  Wink
Question: how are the lifespans on Jyuraian Royals?  Are they long lived enough to have vivid memories of a previous Avatar-to-Raven and have an 'Oh SHIT it's HIM!' moment?  Just think it'd incredibly fun to have Ayeka, Yosho, or even Asuza wig out on sight of him.  And Sasami will be all like, "Well it's about damn time you showed up!"  Wink
Anyone else think it'd be all too fun to have Kagato go completely apeshit?  You know, sees that one of the few things that is 100% guaranteed to completely hose his plans is over waltzing on over and he practically goes around the bend trying to kill Zeke.  Might actually be the thing that brings them all to Zeke's attention - Kagato somehow picks up on Zeke's existence and goes in to try and take him out before Murphy can bite.
"Okay, which of you ass-clowns is responsible for this mess?"
There is an brief silence, after which everyone points to Washu-chan, who blanches.
Zeke raises an eyebrow.  "Riiiiiiiiggggghhhht.  Keeping my eye on you, short stuff."
Further reasons for involvement: political.  Jyurai is claiming rights to Earth because Yosho, the Crown Prince, had been hanging his hat there for so long.  Bullocks, say the Oni.  He never made any official claims!  Besides, they're independent for crying out loud!  We just protect them because they're such wonderful business partners.  And it goes from there.
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Bob Schroeck Wrote:
Quote:BTW: That Love Dodecahedron entry has to be one of the more fun ones to read. You bastard, you... Wink
Thankyew. I coined the term and wrote the original article, which of course has grown and mutated over the years.
I didn't know that was you.  Cool.  Thanks.
A question regarding Raven:  In your fic, is Raven the AMG Kami-Sama?  Because my impression has always been that Kami-Sama was supposed to be Odin, who does have two ravens working directly for him.  To be perfectly honest, I would strongly recommend against having Raven be Kami-Sama.  Raven as a trickster god or Prometheus figure would fine, as a trickster god would presumably let the butterfly effect do most of his work for him, and both would try to keep their interference in the mortal realm to a minimum.  A Raven who is the Supreme Being, with at least some degree of omniscience and omnipotence, as seems to be implied both by galactic level powers being afraid of him and by his being both willing and able to directly oppose Hild, well... it's a bit too powerful, if you know what I mean.
I would suggest having the Jurians maybe having heard of him/people like him, but only because avatars are very rare, and tend to get involved in events that make it into the history books, and not have them have some sort of "OH SHIT!" moment.  He's just an Avatar, after all, not a full blown Incarnation.
By the way, for a ranking order for all this, here's my idea.  (From least to greatest, with each category subdivided into the various limited and unlimited classes.):
Priests
Champions (Not a child of a god, but given a powerup and a mission/task.)
High Priest
Avatars (What Zeke is, and I think Sasami is as well)
Demigod (Heracles, as a reference point)
Incarnations (What Washuu is)
Gods, Demons
Once again, please feel free to disregard any of this if you don't like it.
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On Juraian lifespans, I think it depends on whether they have a bond with a tree.  Also on access to the medical tech of the Galactic society.
Kiyone Masaki (Tenchi's mom in the OAV) died of old age at 248 years, while still looking like she was in her twenties.  Her older sister, Minaho, is still going strong and has a tree ship of her own even if she seems to spend most of her time on board Seto's ship.  Yosho is over 700 years old and looks early twenty-something when not using a disguise field, largely because his tree hasn't lost power despite being rooted on Earth.  Seto is on the high side of 5000 years old, possibly twice that as different sources are giving me different numbers.  (There's this whole Galactic years vs Earth years lampshade hung on some of the different numbers given for some character's ages)
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No, I don't believe the world has gone mad.  In order for it to go mad it would need to have been sane at some point.
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Jorlem:
Raven is not That Guy by any stretch.  If anything, Raven doesn't care much for him - feels he should quit being so f****** inscrutable.  His daughters, the Nourns, are all adorable and Raven would adopt them at the first opportunity.
Also, there is one way Raven can directly oppose Hild without turning it into a slugfest.  He can keep reincarnating souls destined to Hell through his Purgatory Buffer.  Hild won't like it, but there wouldn't be much she can do except to abide by the simple request to leave his Avatar alone.  Those around him, though, are free game.
The Jyuraians do not outright fear Raven.  Rather, even though they don't worship him, they have a very healthy sense of respect for the Trickster God that can topple interstellar governments with Butterfly Effects alone.  It also helps that the Jyuraians are essentially highly advanced techno-druids.
Therefore, their general consensus when they see his Avatar is now part of the picture is, "Well f***!  This just got a little more complicated."
As for the rating scale... What about this instead:
Preist/Servitor
High Priest/Champion
Avatar/Demi-God
Incarnation
God/Powers That Be
I threw in Servitors because it felt right that there would be 'gophors' that are essentially non-denominational.  They just get things accomplished.  I also felt that High Priest and Champion are in the same power bracket, just slightly different roles.  Champions are pretty much your hack-and-slash types while High Preists are still REMFs, but have learned how to hit back hard enough to have earned their keep on the front lines.  Kinda like a Red Mage from Final Fantasy.  Avatar and Demi-Gods for the same reason, only Demi-Gods gain access to their latent abilities pretty quickly and usually without any help.
Finally, I replaced Demons with Powers That Be.  Marler counts as a Demon, but she is nothing to Hild.  Hild is what we fans of Diane Duane's work call a 'Power'.
What'cha think?
Deadpan:
Thanks!  This means that the Juraians probably have pretty vivid memories of what happened when the Moon Kingdom fell.
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Some additional considerations for Galactic lifespans. 
I'm unclear on details as this comes from a set of light novels that have not yet been translated into English, but Mihoshi's Grandfather and Great-Aunt are apparently competitive with Seto on how old they are.  As a prominant family in the galaxy this may be due to having the best medical tech available even if they don't have the effective eternal youth that seems to come with a royal tree.  Likewise, the character of Neju Na Melmas from GXP was high priestess/head of state for the planet Melmas and was artificially kept at a physical age of 10 for about 2000 years.
I don't know if you are going with the canon date of 1000 years ago or the more commonly accpted fannon of 10000 years for the Moon Kingdom, but yes, Seto was probably around at even the longer of those two dates, Washu certainly was, and records should exist unless the Moon Kingdom was totally isolationist.  I sometimes wonder about possible connections between Seto and Setsuna. (Both 10,000 years old, green hair, red eyes, tendency to meddle...)
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No, I don't believe the world has gone mad.  In order for it to go mad it would need to have been sane at some point.
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