Hello everyone, I'm Geth N7, the administrator of the Tropes Mirror Wiki on Wikia, and first off, I want to say I support the All The Tropes project.
In fact, a little background.
Me and Brent Laabs have emailed each other for awhile now, and not only does he have my eternal thanks for making that torrent of TV Tropes available to everyone, he even donated some of his knowledge of Perl to me so I could start mass converting pages for the Tropes Mirror Wiki.
As I understand it, Brent has mentioned me on this thread, and I'd just like to add a few of my own thoughts on things:
* Troper Tales/Fetish Fuel pages are, frankly, more trouble than they are worth. Okay, some of the more inoffensive Tropers Tales weren't bad, but some were just questionable, and the Fetish Fuel.....yeesh, that was a cesspit. I could really live without them if I had to. Besides, I have some of them archived on the TMW, and after reading some of them, I am currently contemplating their removal.
* I'm a big fan of community consensus. TV Tropes is essentially a dictatorship of one man and his subordinates, not a community, and frankly, I'd love to have most of the people here as fellow tropers on a troping wiki, and I value the input of my community highly and try to help the newbies whenever I can.
* As many may know, I tried to extend an olive branch to Fast Eddie, and here is why: The Tropes Mirror Wiki was originally run by a bunch of bitter ex-tropers who created the site to spite Fast Eddie. I had and still have many differences with Fast Eddie, but I still wanted to let him know that despite those differences, I hoped our communities could be civil to each other, and I even reported a troll to him to show good faith. His response was to be angry I was hosting content licensed under CC BY SA that was originally on his website, and then he told me to leave and never return. I admit I was hurt and offended, but I decided to turn the other cheek, go back to the Tropes Mirror Wiki and continue to attempt cleaning it up, and even though I'm sure Fast Eddie doesn't care, I have continued to remove any content that was illegally imported from after June 2012 since I respect copyright laws (something my predecessors on the Tropes Mirror Wiki apparently did not).
* From what I gather, many people are hesitant of joining Wikia because they feel Wikia would constrain their creativity and impose censorship: Having been there for awhile, the worst censorship they have imposed so far has been to ban any NSFW pictures, which I find eminently reasonable, but otherwise, they have not objected to any other content.
** Regardless, I believe many here would like to host a wiki on a non Wikia affiliated service without any fear of pressure from advertising sponsors or any censorship whatsoever besides what would obviously be illegal, and I support that and would be willing to help with that if everyone here would be willing to work on MediaWiki centered wiki, which I have a lot of experience with. I would also be willing to work with any other wiki service, but MediaWiki is my specialty.
* I support the informality TV Tropes originally strived for. The SA mock threads (which I've read) seem to feel the website should be a totally serious resource for writers, and while I can understand their POV to an extent, I favor the informal approach TV Tropes originally had.
** On a related note, while I agree the Troper Tales/Fetish Fuel pages deserved to die (in that respect the Goons and I agree), I am utterly opposed to every other opinion they have had about the troping community and don't care about what opinions they hold of the TMW, if any.
* I am utterly opposed to censorship of certain works and tropes because they might be possibly offensive. Even if advertisers were not an issue on Wikia (and they aren't), I would desert Wikia in a heartbeat if they stopped me from merely hosting pages on adult works. They are just as much a work as something like King Lear or Sesame Street, and to their credit, Wikia has given me no trouble in that regard. As for certain trope pages being cut for offensiveness, that's ridiculous. While I support not being lewd for the sake of it, the mere existence of a lewd topic doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed, especially if has a bearing on other tropes and works.
....well, that was a big wall of text, but those are my two cents on the matter, and I look forward to seeing everyone else's opinions.
In fact, a little background.
Me and Brent Laabs have emailed each other for awhile now, and not only does he have my eternal thanks for making that torrent of TV Tropes available to everyone, he even donated some of his knowledge of Perl to me so I could start mass converting pages for the Tropes Mirror Wiki.
As I understand it, Brent has mentioned me on this thread, and I'd just like to add a few of my own thoughts on things:
* Troper Tales/Fetish Fuel pages are, frankly, more trouble than they are worth. Okay, some of the more inoffensive Tropers Tales weren't bad, but some were just questionable, and the Fetish Fuel.....yeesh, that was a cesspit. I could really live without them if I had to. Besides, I have some of them archived on the TMW, and after reading some of them, I am currently contemplating their removal.
* I'm a big fan of community consensus. TV Tropes is essentially a dictatorship of one man and his subordinates, not a community, and frankly, I'd love to have most of the people here as fellow tropers on a troping wiki, and I value the input of my community highly and try to help the newbies whenever I can.
* As many may know, I tried to extend an olive branch to Fast Eddie, and here is why: The Tropes Mirror Wiki was originally run by a bunch of bitter ex-tropers who created the site to spite Fast Eddie. I had and still have many differences with Fast Eddie, but I still wanted to let him know that despite those differences, I hoped our communities could be civil to each other, and I even reported a troll to him to show good faith. His response was to be angry I was hosting content licensed under CC BY SA that was originally on his website, and then he told me to leave and never return. I admit I was hurt and offended, but I decided to turn the other cheek, go back to the Tropes Mirror Wiki and continue to attempt cleaning it up, and even though I'm sure Fast Eddie doesn't care, I have continued to remove any content that was illegally imported from after June 2012 since I respect copyright laws (something my predecessors on the Tropes Mirror Wiki apparently did not).
* From what I gather, many people are hesitant of joining Wikia because they feel Wikia would constrain their creativity and impose censorship: Having been there for awhile, the worst censorship they have imposed so far has been to ban any NSFW pictures, which I find eminently reasonable, but otherwise, they have not objected to any other content.
** Regardless, I believe many here would like to host a wiki on a non Wikia affiliated service without any fear of pressure from advertising sponsors or any censorship whatsoever besides what would obviously be illegal, and I support that and would be willing to help with that if everyone here would be willing to work on MediaWiki centered wiki, which I have a lot of experience with. I would also be willing to work with any other wiki service, but MediaWiki is my specialty.
* I support the informality TV Tropes originally strived for. The SA mock threads (which I've read) seem to feel the website should be a totally serious resource for writers, and while I can understand their POV to an extent, I favor the informal approach TV Tropes originally had.
** On a related note, while I agree the Troper Tales/Fetish Fuel pages deserved to die (in that respect the Goons and I agree), I am utterly opposed to every other opinion they have had about the troping community and don't care about what opinions they hold of the TMW, if any.
* I am utterly opposed to censorship of certain works and tropes because they might be possibly offensive. Even if advertisers were not an issue on Wikia (and they aren't), I would desert Wikia in a heartbeat if they stopped me from merely hosting pages on adult works. They are just as much a work as something like King Lear or Sesame Street, and to their credit, Wikia has given me no trouble in that regard. As for certain trope pages being cut for offensiveness, that's ridiculous. While I support not being lewd for the sake of it, the mere existence of a lewd topic doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed, especially if has a bearing on other tropes and works.
....well, that was a big wall of text, but those are my two cents on the matter, and I look forward to seeing everyone else's opinions.