You'd have to be specific about which Iraq war. The first one we were invited. The second one, Dubbya's administration just pointed at Saddam Husein and said, "He's got WMDs! Get 'em, Dubbya! Get 'em!" That one *was* some fucked up shit, and it only happened because Dubbya wanted to show the world that he was better than his dad by actually catching Hussein this time.
As for Vietnam? Ohhhhh no no no no no no noooooooo you don't.
First: We were cleaning up after the utter fucking mess the French made of the place in trying to colonize South Vietnam. That colonization effort was the source of a lot of the misgivings these guys had towards the West.
Second: the Viet Cong kicked things off, because fuck those Capitalist Pigs that are trying to fix up the place!
Third: Though the Viet Cong was primarily of South Vietnamese origin, pretty much all their backing came from North Vietnam... Who were being backed by Russia, China, and North Korea. (Big surprise there, huh?)
Fourth: You *do* remember what happened afterwards, right? When these fuckers won their war? When they got exactly what they wanted? Pretty damn sure none of the genocides and refugee crisis would have occurred had it been a US-South Vietnam victory. Hell, we probably even would have let them keep North Vietnam with some concessions to the tune of disarmament and reparations.
See, here's the thing about this era in US history: the Communist Block were *always* the ones to initiate things. And they were also the ones to always abide genocides and purges and all kinds of other heinous and fucked up shit.
The point is we're not always the bad guys. And I fucking hate these ass clowns that go around saying that we are, all the time.
Oh sure! Let's go ahead and disband our standing armies and naval forces! I'm sure that Russia, China, and North Korea would all love that. You just do that, and then watch as Russia reestablishes the USSR by annexing all the countries around it, China nukes Taiwan and Japan, and North Korea settles their territorial claim once and for all, and in the worst ways possible.
As for Vietnam? Ohhhhh no no no no no no noooooooo you don't.
First: We were cleaning up after the utter fucking mess the French made of the place in trying to colonize South Vietnam. That colonization effort was the source of a lot of the misgivings these guys had towards the West.
Second: the Viet Cong kicked things off, because fuck those Capitalist Pigs that are trying to fix up the place!
Third: Though the Viet Cong was primarily of South Vietnamese origin, pretty much all their backing came from North Vietnam... Who were being backed by Russia, China, and North Korea. (Big surprise there, huh?)
Fourth: You *do* remember what happened afterwards, right? When these fuckers won their war? When they got exactly what they wanted? Pretty damn sure none of the genocides and refugee crisis would have occurred had it been a US-South Vietnam victory. Hell, we probably even would have let them keep North Vietnam with some concessions to the tune of disarmament and reparations.
See, here's the thing about this era in US history: the Communist Block were *always* the ones to initiate things. And they were also the ones to always abide genocides and purges and all kinds of other heinous and fucked up shit.
The point is we're not always the bad guys. And I fucking hate these ass clowns that go around saying that we are, all the time.
Oh sure! Let's go ahead and disband our standing armies and naval forces! I'm sure that Russia, China, and North Korea would all love that. You just do that, and then watch as Russia reestablishes the USSR by annexing all the countries around it, China nukes Taiwan and Japan, and North Korea settles their territorial claim once and for all, and in the worst ways possible.