Subject: RE: [smof-politics] Thought for solving two housing crises, but is the cost too high?
From: "Benjamin Rhodes" ()
Reply-To: smof-politics@smofcon.fen
Date: 2014/2/12 08:28
To: undisclosed-recipients
>Except that the people who *need* the housing the most will be the ones who
>can't *afford* it under your "grown up" capitalist scheme. A minor problem,
>that, but hey! We've (for values of "we" meaning "exceptionally wealthy person
>Noah Scott") got to make money on this somehow! Forward the free market
>& never mind that invisible hand giving you the finger!
Whoah! Easy with the vitriol there. (O_o)
Seriously, I'm already putting forth a major contribution myself. And mine's probably going to be the gift that keeps on giving - I just know that Matel's going to love being able to make regular stops in Ireland.
I'm already taking a hit on this. Jeff's gonna be helping, perhaps entirely out of his own pocket. Noah has already implied that he doesn't mind losing a bit of money, but not the whole enchilada.
And there's something else. Do you honestly expect that these people are going to get something for nothing? I mean, sure, home ownership is a good thing for the community, but I got photographic evidence of what a neighborhood can turn into if the homes are just forked over without ever having to work for it. The neighborhood of my Mother's family is one such example. It used to be a nice little place, if underdeveloped. But, as time passed and one generation passed away to the next, so did the houses they live in. And, not having to pay a dime, the neighborhood turned into a slum.
Even in socialism, nothing is ever free. You work, so you get a safe place to live, three meals a day, health care, etc. All it does is that it attaches a degree of insurance against things going to crap in the face of adversity. Adding a pricetag to this is simply going to make sure that responsible and productive people live in these homes. And the last time I checked, while it's tough to find a place to live, there aren't that many people hurting for honest work over on Mars. If anything, they have a manpower shortage, and the housing shortage is responsible for that, in part. (Really, it's the terraformation effort - it draws quite a bit from the labor pool, preventing the housing industry from getting new homes built. Mos Eisely doesn't have this problem because their plan relies on mass produced housing.)
And something else you seem to have forgotten. We are Fen. We are self-made pioneers. We do not ask for handouts. (No, Midnight was not a handout. I earned her back fair and square over the course of O:GJ) If one of us lives in squalor, then it is because that person chooses to do so. There is opportunity out here that has not existed since the days of America's Westward Expansion. There is so much work available on Mars that even if you didn't get hired on by one of the existing companies then you could easily work for yourself. (Like what I did back in the good old days.)
There, now that I got that out of my system...
Yes, it would be a better idea if people can pool their resources to spread the impact that there is inevitably going to be. I'm sure the Federation would love to get in on this as they love humanitarian stuff like this. And I'm pretty sure that you might even be able to get the Republic in on it as well. I'll talk to the Senshi and see if they can spare anything for the effort, but I doubt it - they're still pretty strapped from the fall of Crystal Osaka. Are there any others here that have deep pockets?
-Benjamin
Roughriders of 36 Atalante
Would you like blind, broke, or bedlam?
Subject: Addendum to my last msg (Was: Re: [smof-politics] Thought for solving two housing crises, but is the cost too high?)
From: "Benjamin Rhodes" ([url=mailto:blackrider@roughriders.fen)
Reply-To: smof-politics@smofcon.fen
Date: 2014/2/12 08:31
To: undisclosed-recipients
Mal: I thoroughly aggree on this point, especially if we can get more parties on board such as the Federation and the Republic. Though credit should go to Noah for heading the operation - or at least the financial aspect.
-Benjamin
Roughriders of 36 Atalante
Would you like blind, broke, or bedlam?
From: "Benjamin Rhodes" ()
Reply-To: smof-politics@smofcon.fen
Date: 2014/2/12 08:28
To: undisclosed-recipients
>Except that the people who *need* the housing the most will be the ones who
>can't *afford* it under your "grown up" capitalist scheme. A minor problem,
>that, but hey! We've (for values of "we" meaning "exceptionally wealthy person
>Noah Scott") got to make money on this somehow! Forward the free market
>& never mind that invisible hand giving you the finger!
Whoah! Easy with the vitriol there. (O_o)
Seriously, I'm already putting forth a major contribution myself. And mine's probably going to be the gift that keeps on giving - I just know that Matel's going to love being able to make regular stops in Ireland.
I'm already taking a hit on this. Jeff's gonna be helping, perhaps entirely out of his own pocket. Noah has already implied that he doesn't mind losing a bit of money, but not the whole enchilada.
And there's something else. Do you honestly expect that these people are going to get something for nothing? I mean, sure, home ownership is a good thing for the community, but I got photographic evidence of what a neighborhood can turn into if the homes are just forked over without ever having to work for it. The neighborhood of my Mother's family is one such example. It used to be a nice little place, if underdeveloped. But, as time passed and one generation passed away to the next, so did the houses they live in. And, not having to pay a dime, the neighborhood turned into a slum.
Even in socialism, nothing is ever free. You work, so you get a safe place to live, three meals a day, health care, etc. All it does is that it attaches a degree of insurance against things going to crap in the face of adversity. Adding a pricetag to this is simply going to make sure that responsible and productive people live in these homes. And the last time I checked, while it's tough to find a place to live, there aren't that many people hurting for honest work over on Mars. If anything, they have a manpower shortage, and the housing shortage is responsible for that, in part. (Really, it's the terraformation effort - it draws quite a bit from the labor pool, preventing the housing industry from getting new homes built. Mos Eisely doesn't have this problem because their plan relies on mass produced housing.)
And something else you seem to have forgotten. We are Fen. We are self-made pioneers. We do not ask for handouts. (No, Midnight was not a handout. I earned her back fair and square over the course of O:GJ) If one of us lives in squalor, then it is because that person chooses to do so. There is opportunity out here that has not existed since the days of America's Westward Expansion. There is so much work available on Mars that even if you didn't get hired on by one of the existing companies then you could easily work for yourself. (Like what I did back in the good old days.)
There, now that I got that out of my system...
Yes, it would be a better idea if people can pool their resources to spread the impact that there is inevitably going to be. I'm sure the Federation would love to get in on this as they love humanitarian stuff like this. And I'm pretty sure that you might even be able to get the Republic in on it as well. I'll talk to the Senshi and see if they can spare anything for the effort, but I doubt it - they're still pretty strapped from the fall of Crystal Osaka. Are there any others here that have deep pockets?
-Benjamin
Roughriders of 36 Atalante
Would you like blind, broke, or bedlam?
Subject: Addendum to my last msg (Was: Re: [smof-politics] Thought for solving two housing crises, but is the cost too high?)
From: "Benjamin Rhodes" ([url=mailto:blackrider@roughriders.fen)
Reply-To: smof-politics@smofcon.fen
Date: 2014/2/12 08:31
To: undisclosed-recipients
Mal: I thoroughly aggree on this point, especially if we can get more parties on board such as the Federation and the Republic. Though credit should go to Noah for heading the operation - or at least the financial aspect.
-Benjamin
Roughriders of 36 Atalante
Would you like blind, broke, or bedlam?