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(10-07-2020, 07:42 PM)DHBirr Wrote: [ -> ]Even William Barr – or should that be Lavrentii Barria?

Yes it should. I'd be amazed I didn't think of it myself, if I gave Beria himself any more thought than immediate circumstances required of me (such as when I happen to reread "Agreement in Principle").
Even if it was physically useless, it's politically useful. It shows that at least 1 party is treating the virus seriously.
Members of our well regulated militia “meet regularly in rural Michigan, where they engage in firearms training and tactical drills” - and also make plans to violently kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the state government.
FBI says it thwarted plot to kidnap Michigan‘s governor

Gee, I wonder where a bunch of violent terrorists calling themselves a militia got the idea to overthrow Michigan's government and kidnap the governor?
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I wonder.
For two hundred eight years, the New England Journal of Medicine stayed out of national politics.  But the Dotard is too much of a danger to Americans' health.

Quote:Wednesday’s editorial argued national leaders had the opportunity to limit the virus’s spread and prevent widespread illness, deaths and lasting economic turmoil.
“Here in the United States, our leaders have failed that test,” the editorial said. “They have taken a crisis and turned it into a tragedy.”
....
“Our current leaders have undercut trust in science and in government, causing damage that will certainly outlast them,” they wrote. “Instead of relying on expertise, the administration has turned to uninformed 'opinion leaders’ and charlatans who obscure the truth and facilitate the promulgation of outright lies.”
....
The NEJM isn’t the first science-focused publication pushed to weigh in on the election amid a tense relationship between the Trump administration and the scientific community. Scientific American also published a presidential endorsement for the first time in its October issue, urging its readers to vote for former vice president Joe Biden in November.
Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history,” the endorsement said. “This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly.”
....
“When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent,” the [NEJM] editorial said. “We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.”

One reader commented, "hopefully nobody is dumb enough to try and paint our premiere medical journal as partisan."  To which another promptly replied: "Trump: Challenge accepted!"
May as well post this here, since oil-drilling in Alaska parkland was one of the Nicknamer-in-Chief's pet projects.

RBC - one of the 33 banks on the Swiss Financial Stability Board's list of global systemically important banks (and thus "too big to fail" from an international point of view) and the fifth-largest bank in North America - announced last Friday that they will not fund any oil and gas development in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Quote:Due to its particular ecological and social significance and vulnerability, RBC will not provide direct financing for any project or transaction that involves exploration or development in the ANWR

(Source)

This puts them in the same position as JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, and Goldman Sachs (largest, fourth-largest, and seventh-largest banks in North America, respectively).

Even if the Nicknamer-in-Chief wants it to happen, if nobody's going to pay for it, it ain't happening.

(RBC investments in coal-fired power plants, thermal coal mines, mountain-top removal coal mines and development in UNESCO World Heritage Sites now also require "enhanced due diligence"... which is nice, but considering RBC finances a lot of fossil fuel development in Canada, not as reassuring as an outright refusal to fund.)
And here's one on raking the forests to cut down on forest fires: We've been doing that for decades. No, the increased number of forest fires is not because we've let the place get untidy... because we haven't.

So, yeah ... the Nicknamer-in-Chief has suggested doing something that's already being done and expecting the result to be different.
(10-09-2020, 10:13 AM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]And here's one on raking the forests to cut down on forest fires: We've been doing that for decades. No, the increased number of forest fires is not because we've let the place get untidy... because we haven't.

So, yeah ... the Nicknamer-in-Chief has suggested doing something that's already being done and expecting the result to be different.
That's because he's a 'very stable genius' who thinks of things no else ever has. Rolleyes
(10-09-2020, 10:13 AM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]And here's one on raking the forests to cut down on forest fires: We've been doing that for decades. No, the increased number of forest fires is not because we've let the place get untidy... because we haven't.

So, yeah ... the Nicknamer-in-Chief has suggested doing something that's already being done and expecting the result to be different.
Not sure what happened, but, for me, that link led to an article about the benefits of using stairs during the pandemic.
(10-09-2020, 09:51 PM)Inquisitive Raven Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2020, 10:13 AM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]And here's one on raking the forests to cut down on forest fires: We've been doing that for decades. No, the increased number of forest fires is not because we've let the place get untidy... because we haven't.

So, yeah ... the Nicknamer-in-Chief has suggested doing something that's already being done and expecting the result to be different.
Not sure what happened, but, for me, that link led to an article about the benefits of using stairs during the pandemic.

You need to read the entire page, not just the headline and first couple of paragraphs.
hazard Wrote:Extremely relevant for those two events, when did the NYT lie about those two events, and when did they stop?
 
Hazard there is a part of me that wants to smack you simply for voicing this question, but I’ll put it off as your personal ignorance of the subject matter. The New York Times has been in business since 1851 and has, since its inception claimed to be THE Paper of Record and that any other that disagrees with them is a bunch of lies. Because of the company’s age it is easily something that can be researched if you have access to its physical archives, which means going to New York. That said there have been, over the years, several authors who have picked a subject and researched what the Times has written about it, where in their paper they placed those articles, and the actual history involved in the writing of those articles. When they actively started editing their work to push a liberal/socialist agenda I couldn’t tell you, I don’t subscribe, but I can tell you that the best documented case of their bias started with the Russian Revolution (1917) and the “Journalist” Walter Duranty who arrived in Moscow to be the Times’ correspondent there in 1921.
 
Starting with the Ukrainian Genocide/Famine 1932/1933 while the rest of the world’s newspapers were telling the world of the death that the Soviet Union was causing by taking the Ukrainian grain harvest by force and either executing or exiling any who objected, Duranty told the Times readers that the Russians were “Hungry, not starving”. The Soviet Union’s story was basically that there were some farmers who were refusing to hand over the required and contracted grain quota and in protest were executing/wasting their cattle. The truth was that the Soviets were taking said grain at gunpoint, and the rural population, looking at the usual hard Russian winter were butchering the cattle that they new couldn’t be kept fed into the winter in hopes that at least for a while they would be able to survive on the meat. It didn’t work as they were not allowed to keep the meat either.
 
Duranty received a Pulitzer prize for this among other articles that were all practically parroting the Stalinist line of “All is well in the Soviet Union; we are a country of great equality.” As far as when the NYT admitted it, publicly they never have, going so far as to each time the board that hands out the Pulitzer Prize for Journalism considers rescinding the award for Duranty’s work, the Times objects and the Editor in Chief at the time wrote as follows:
Arthur Sulzberger Wrote:First, such an action might evoke the Stalinist practice to airbrush purged figures out of official records and Histories
And
Arthur Sulzberger Wrote:The board would be setting a precedent for revisiting its judgements over many decades
In short, the Times still will not deny or rescind Duranty’s work and I would suggest reading the entirety of the linked Wikipedia Article on the person and preferably several of the links which you will hopefully find enlightening.
 
Now, as to their coverage of the Holocaust, which do you think should be a front page article between 1938 and 1944, the emptying of the Warsaw Ghetto, or an informational on how to correct your ration card for gas and tires if it does not have the correct information on it? The latter was a front-page article in the Times while news of the industrialized gassing of European Jews was relegated to at best page 4 of the paper. It was not until US servicemen were returning home on war bond tours from the European theater that they actually started to present the story of the Holocaust and the systematic extermination of the European Jews. Why, you might ask, and the answer is considered a bit of a grey area even now. Arthur Sulzburger who was the owner and Editor in Chief, had a distinct disagreement with the leaders of both the American and European Jewish communities including a distinct dislike of Zionism. The fact that other newspapers around the country also didn’t give the slaughter of people the coverage it deserved until almost the end of the war does not absolve any of them, but it is the Times that has specifically been called into question here and the fact that this is simply the tip of the proverbial iceberg where their lies and deceits are concerned is why I address them.
Rob, I imagine you would prefer something more recent than what you probably consider ancient history. The Times coverage of the “Russian Collusion” story and the lies, innuendo and blatant dishonesty where the facts were that even Robert Mueller and his group of Democrat supporters couldn’t find the least little hint of any illegal action on the part of the president and in fact tried to hide the abuse of the civil liberties of various Trump supporters are unquestionable. The Steele Dossier has been proven a pack of lies and yet the Times along with CNN and MSNBC STILL reference it as if it were fact. The fact that said Dossier was used to gain a FISA warrant on Carter Page, and then used to spy on the Trump Campaign and transition team is an abuse of power that the left still refuses to answer to, and I’m sorry to say, but certain members of the Justice Department seem to be sitting on awaiting the outcome of the current election to see if they are going to have to publicly embarrass the Obama Administration. Other times in recent history (ie the last 3-4 years) where the NYT has brazenly lied include:
Covington Catholic High School student Nicholas Sandman who DIDN’T actually do anything just smile and be in a 30 second clip in a MAGA hat while a protestor got in HIS face. The protester, I might add, who it was found when you watched the ENTIRE scene at the Washington Mall, lied about the whole damn thing.
Former National Security Advisor General Michael Flynn who’s conversations with the Russian Ambassador was completely above board and was coerced into confessing, something that is likely to come under investigation itself if it isn’t already.
 
And I think I’ll just leave it at that. My apologies for taking so long to respond
(09-29-2020, 07:50 AM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: [ -> ]New Jersey is operating on an all-mail-in-ballot basis due to COVID-19,

As is California.  There are billboards all over the greater los angeles area, in spanish, encouraging people to vote as quickly as possible.

this makes me wonder if it is not some stunt pulled by the people I might otherwise have identified with to discount their votes.  Sad
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]
hazard Wrote:Extremely relevant for those two events, when did the NYT lie about those two events, and when did they stop?
 
Hazard there is a part of me that wants to smack you simply for voicing this question, but I’ll put it off as your personal ignorance of the subject matter. The New York Times has been in business since 1851 and has, since its inception claimed to be THE Paper of Record
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]and that any other that disagrees with them is a bunch of lies.
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]Because of the company’s age it is easily something that can be researched if you have access to its physical archives, which means going to New York. That said there have been, over the years, several authors who have picked a subject and researched what the Times has written about it, where in their paper they placed those articles, and the actual history involved in the writing of those articles. When they actively started editing their work to push a liberal/socialist agenda
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]I couldn’t tell you, I don’t subscribe, but I can tell you that the best documented case of their bias started with the Russian Revolution (1917) and the “Journalist” Walter Duranty who arrived in Moscow to be the Times’ correspondent there in 1921.

...

As far as when the NYT admitted it, publicly they never have,

This NYT article was first published on June 24, 1990.

So, Rajvik - was your statement a mistake or a lie?

Since your entire argument here is based on an error of fact, I've snipped it. Please try again, paying attention to actual facts this time.


(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]Now, as to their coverage of the Holocaust, which do you think should be a front page article between 1938 and 1944, the emptying of the Warsaw Ghetto, or an informational on how to correct your ration card for gas and tires if it does not have the correct information on it? The latter was a front-page article in the Times while news of the industrialized gassing of European Jews was relegated to at best page 4 of the paper. It was not until US servicemen were returning home on war bond tours from the European theater that they actually started to present the story of the Holocaust and the systematic extermination of the European Jews. Why, you might ask, and the answer is considered a bit of a grey area even now. Arthur Sulzburger who was the owner and Editor in Chief, had a distinct disagreement with the leaders of both the American and European Jewish communities including a distinct dislike of Zionism.
Citation needed. Especially considering that Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of The New York Times from 1935 to 1961, was Jewish. (citation)
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that other newspapers around the country also didn’t give the slaughter of people the coverage it deserved until almost the end of the war does not absolve any of them, but it is the Times that has specifically been called into question here and the fact that this is simply the tip of the proverbial iceberg where their lies and deceits are concerned is why I address them.

“To understand how the Times covered the Holocaust, you have to understand that the Times was paranoid—with justification—about being marginalized as an institution because of its Jewish ownership. Sulzberger knew that the paper would be discredited. That’s why the coverage was undramatic, unpassionate, and framed often in general terms instead of ones that really got to the issue.”
-- Alex Jones, former reporter for the New York Times, quoted in Reporting on the Times and re-quoted by The Daily Beast here.

A bad judgment call is not a lie.


(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]Rob, I imagine you would prefer something more recent than what you probably consider ancient history. The Times coverage of the “Russian Collusion” story and the lies, innuendo and blatant dishonesty where the facts were that even Robert Mueller and his group of Democrat supporters couldn’t find the least little hint of any illegal action on the part of the president
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]and in fact tried to hide
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]the abuse of the civil liberties of various Trump supporters
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]are unquestionable.
Citation needed. Especially since I'm questioning them, so they obviously are not "unquestionable" by the dictionary definition of the term.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]The Steele Dossier has been proven a pack of lies
Citation needed. And the Nicknamer-in-Chief claiming "fake news" as he does with everything else that does not show sycophantic adoration toward him is not proof.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]and yet the Times along with CNN and MSNBC STILL reference it as if it were fact. The fact that said Dossier was used to gain a FISA warrant on Carter Page, and then used to spy on the Trump Campaign and transition team is an abuse of power
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]that the left still refuses to answer to,
Why should they? The GOP are currently in power - ask them about abuses of power on their watch. Assuming that this is an abuse of power, which has yet to be proven.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]and I’m sorry to say, but certain members of the Justice Department seem to be sitting on awaiting the outcome of the current election to see if they are going to have to publicly embarrass the Obama Administration.
Citation needed. Names, too.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]Other times in recent history (ie the last 3-4 years) where the NYT has brazenly lied include:
Covington Catholic High School student Nicholas Sandman who DIDN’T actually do anything just smile and be in a 30 second clip in a MAGA hat while a protestor got in HIS face.
Is this the same Nicholas Sandman who filed defamation lawsuits against the Washington Post, CNN, and NBCUniversal, but not the NYT? Why not, if his case is so strong?
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]The protester, I might add, who it was found when you watched the ENTIRE scene at the Washington Mall, lied about the whole damn thing.
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]Former National Security Advisor General Michael Flynn who’s conversations with the Russian Ambassador was completely above board
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]and was coerced
Citation needed.
(10-10-2020, 04:51 PM)Rajvik Wrote: [ -> ]into confessing, something that is likely to come under investigation itself if it isn’t already.
 
And I think I’ll just leave it at that. My apologies for taking so long to respond
I see you didn't bother to give me anything that I asked for, just another regurgitation of the propaganda that you've bought into.

Give me evidence, damnit. EDIT: No, don't bother trying - you've shown time and again that you have no interest in providing evidence for anything you say.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/20/calif...e-collins/

Is it possible for a "republican" to be too crazy to get a Trump endorsement?
(10-13-2020, 01:17 PM)Jinx999 Wrote: [ -> ]https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/20/calif...e-collins/

Is it possible for a "republican" to be too crazy to get a Trump endorsement?

If the thing be possible, I'm not surprised a "sovereign citizen" is what makes the nut (pun not intended; okay, maybe I intended it a little - or a lot).
Aaaaand the Dotard makes this shit up again:  He declares himself "just about the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico," and says Puerto Ricans had "better vote for me."  Fact check:  Puerto Ricans aren't permitted to vote in presidential elections.  Further fact check:  Does the word "hurricane" ring any bells?  Will I jog memories by mentioning paper towels?
And he makes it sound like there is an “or else” in there somewhere.

The governor of PR actually asked us puertorricans-in-exile to vote for him, which got a facepalm from me.
So, in California the GOP took it upon themselves to put their own unauthorized ballot boxes which are so similar to the official ones that they can cause people to drop their ballots in. Considering all other moves the GOP has done to ensure that people have difficulties exercising their duty, it is understandable that they have been ordered by court to remove them, since they can open them, destroy the ones that don’t favor them and only count those that do.

The party just said to California to go pound sand:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...660734001/
I think my favorite quote from the Republicans is "ballot harvesting will continue".  Those boxes are appearing near me, too.  I dropped my votes off in front of the county courthouse, at what I really hope is an official box, but since the GOP boxes also say "Official Ballot Box" it's impossible to tell.

Details on this: it was recently made legal for anyone, regardless of their relationship to the voter, to return votes to the county -- provided that the voter signs that they give access to that specific person to deliver the ballot on their behalf.  These extra ballot boxes have no specific person associated with them known to the voter, and thus are in violation of state law.  People will go to prison over this.

As SilverFang said, the ballots could be filtered based on who sent them, if a political party had access to them.  The back of the ballot includes the voter's name, address, and signature -- all things that must be verified and sorted before counting begins.  But this is more than enough information to look up the voter on PDI, find out that voter's partisan registration, and decide whether to keep it or toss it -- all without opening the envelope.

The Republicans are saying, "Democrats are doing it, why can't we do ballot harvesting?"  But we do it on a person-to-person basis, where the voter signs the ballot to the person who delivers it.  A mystery box is not the same thing.  Also, in Ventura County, a Republican runs the county elections and he decides where the drop-off boxes go.  So it's not like they've been shut out of that process, either.  So like, seriously Republicans, please stop running your voter fraud ring.

Meanwhile, in Virginia, voter registration website goes down on deadline because the cable was cut.  Wow, what a coincidence.
You mean you hope people will go to prison for this.

Of course, the people who go to prison for this are unimportant, and not for long.


A far, far more thorough response would be 'congratulations, the Californian branch of the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to commit voter fraud. All individuals who were members and staff in the past 10 years are persons of interest and will present themselves to the police soonest. Or else we stop being nice'.

And then start ramming down the throats of the people in charge this is impermissible and as the people in charge they're on the hook for maximum sentences with no parole, and permanent revocation of the right to vote in the active and passive sense and disbarment from taking any part in the electoral process for everyone involved in the scheme. And possibly the entire party.

Some shit should not fly at all.
Gasp, but that would be disenfranchising them! Taking away their right to be heard in the republicratic process! Angel
Then stop disenfranchising the public you twits.

Then again, do felons automatically lose the right to vote in California?
Yes felons lose the right to vote in California, but only until the end of their punishment. There's a ballot initiative we get to vote on this election that will allow felons to vote as soon as they are released from prison, rather than waiting until the end of any probation or parole. Naturally, the law enforcement PACs think this measure would cause the sky to fall. Only one poll I'm aware of, but it looks likely to pass.
So, how does the crime rate in California compare to the crime rate in Canada, where convicted felons do not lose the right to vote at all?

Yeah, I know that actually looking at evidence is out of fashion south of the border at the moment, but it can't hurt to try...
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