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He still has three months.

(11-01-2020, 11:04 AM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]So... I just heard about the other 2020 U.S. vote

What's the word on the street about the referendum regarding statehood for Puerto Rico? Does anybody who's reading this thread know?

From what I have gathered in conversation with my family on the island the last poll published two days ago puts the result at around 50% pro statehood.

(11-02-2020, 06:22 PM)SilverFang01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2020, 11:04 AM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]So... I just heard about the other 2020 U.S. vote

What's the word on the street about the referendum regarding statehood for Puerto Rico? Does anybody who's reading this thread know?

From what I have gathered in conversation with my family on the island the last poll published two days ago puts the result at around 50% pro statehood.

So, same as last time, then.

Do you think Congress will let it go through this time if the vote is yes?

Hmm... on the one hand, brown people; on the other hand, being able to point and say, "look, we did something for brown people!" It's a good question.

If there's a Democrat majority Congress they probably will. If Trump's been good for one thing it's sinking the name of the Republican party, and a new member state of the United States of America that, at least for the next while, solidly supports the Democratic Party is useful.

(11-02-2020, 08:40 PM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2020, 06:22 PM)SilverFang01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2020, 11:04 AM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]So... I just heard about the other 2020 U.S. vote

What's the word on the street about the referendum regarding statehood for Puerto Rico? Does anybody who's reading this thread know?

From what I have gathered in conversation with my family on the island the last poll published two days ago puts the result at around 50% pro statehood.

So, same as last time, then.

Do you think Congress will let it go through this time if the vote is yes?

I don’t know. Maybe if DC is made a state as well, judging by past precedent.

(11-02-2020, 05:32 PM)hazard Wrote: [ -> ]He still has three months.

Please do not taunt Murphy.

These Americans moved to Canada after the last U.S. election. Now what?

tl;dr: Better health care, substantially fewer active-shooter drills, but Canadian KFC "is terrible ... and you can't find a biscuit nowhere"

Here's a page to watch for aggregated results.

Quote:Our team will be closely monitoring The Associated Press and five U.S. networks — NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and Fox. Those organizations use their own independent methods to make their own calls on every state, and ultimately, the winner of the White House. When three of the five U.S. networks we're watching make their call — and it's aligned with The Associated Press — CBC News feels confident to do the same.

So you don't need to watch more than one screen.

(11-03-2020, 05:17 AM)SilverFang01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2020, 08:40 PM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2020, 06:22 PM)SilverFang01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2020, 11:04 AM)robkelk Wrote: [ -> ]So... I just heard about the other 2020 U.S. vote

What's the word on the street about the referendum regarding statehood for Puerto Rico? Does anybody who's reading this thread know?

From what I have gathered in conversation with my family on the island the last poll published two days ago puts the result at around 50% pro statehood.

So, same as last time, then.

Do you think Congress will let it go through this time if the vote is yes?

I don’t know. Maybe if DC is made a state as well, judging by past precedent.

DC literally and by the Constitution CANNOT BE MADE A STATE
Its charter was to be a city for the governance of the country outside any state, anyone who "resides" in DC is either a citizen of Virginia, or Maryland. They already have their congress critters and senators

This isn't going too different from how I expected it.

It's tight. But I still expect a payout from the bookies this week.

I've seen enough people go down the rabbithole and very few come back up from it. And ye gods the shite on Facebook.

Motherfucker. America loses again. Good luck getting rid of the fucker without military force with another four years to wreck the system and install cronies...

e: Whew. Still not out of the woods, though.

Well, the incumbent has announced without evidence that he's been re-elected. Given his track record with that sort of statement, I assume that means there'll be a new person in the Oval Office in 2021.

(rim-shot)

But seriously, the GOP currently have fewer possible paths to the White House than the Dems do. And nothing will be known for sure until each state announces its final results... which could take the rest of the month to be determined.

Well, thank God for small miracles.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03...dic-433980

Well, with everyone reporting in, though not all votes counted, it does appear Biden has 270 and Trump 267, and even if all the still-leaning states fall over in the direction of their current lean that's not going to change. So other than something completely unexpected in further absentee ballot counts, and barring of course Republic efforts to steal the election in the courts and Trump barricading himself in the White House with an AK-47, Biden looks to be the next president.

(11-04-2020, 10:35 AM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: [ -> ]... and Trump barricading himself in the White House with an AK-47, ...

Want us to come burn down the White House again?

Interestingly, I checked other outlets, and while the results aren't quite as cut-and-dry as the CBC's, they still show Trump at a disadvantage. I think the CBC adding the "leaning" states to the called states is a bit misleading, but doesn't actually appear to be wrong.

Just ask the CIA to convince the military to oust the annoying bugger, they managed just fine in Chile.

Assuming the trending states go the way they're trending, Biden is going to win by a hair. Although the margins in some of the Dem trending states are currently razor thin. And we won't know the victor for days at least.

I VERY strongly suspect Trump is going to loudly and publicly claim fraud. He already has, really. And he's not going to concede.

At the very minimum, this is going to play merry hell with the political and social stability of the USA.

(11-04-2020, 12:40 PM)hazard Wrote: [ -> ]Just ask the CIA to convince the military to oust the annoying bugger, they managed just fine in Chile.

They only oust socialist presidents.

I'm going to admit I'd prefer Trump over Biden to ultimately win, but regardless of who wins, I will take the result we get like an adult, but with one important caveat that applies to both sides.

That the win is a clean one.

Neither side should try to achieve victory in a contest with these stakes by dirty means, and if there is a clear and clean winner, then the loser (and their supporters) should accept that with grace and humanity.

If Trump ultimately loses legitimately, and the counts all come in with Biden legitimately winning, I hope Trump is wise enough to lay down his sword. If Biden loses, I hope he does likewise.

I believe the country will continue regardless of who wins, provided we do so with mutual respect for the results without foul play on either side.

(11-04-2020, 03:13 PM)GethN7 Wrote: [ -> ]I will take the result we get like an adult, but with one important caveat that applies to both sides.

That the win is a clean one.

The problem is that people seem to have stopped believing in unbiased and trustworthy information sources. And that Trump has repeated said that as he'd clearly win a fair election, then him not winning is evidence of fraud.

He is in the process of sueing to stop the counting of mail in votes in Pennsylvania and he's repeatly claimed that they are vulnerable to fraud. The democrats see this as a transparent attempt to supress their votes and is essentially fraudulent.

In other words (unless both the count goes ahead AND Trump has a significantly larger than expected share of the mail in and urban votes), one side will be accusing the other of being dirty cheaters.

Deciding whether the result is a clean one or not is going to be partisan and depend on what sources of new one listens to. I'm not saying that a clear win won't happen, but that chosing to believe that the win is clear will be biased.

(11-04-2020, 04:51 PM)Jinx999 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-04-2020, 03:13 PM)GethN7 Wrote: [ -> ]I will take the result we get like an adult, but with one important caveat that applies to both sides.

That the win is a clean one.

The problem is that people seem to have stopped believing in unbiased and trustworthy information sources. And that Trump has repeated said that as he'd clearly win a fair election, then him not winning is evidence of fraud.

He is in the process of sueing to stop the counting of mail in votes in Pennsylvania and he's repeatly claimed that they are vulnerable to fraud. The democrats see this as a transparent attempt to supress their votes and is essentially fraudulent.

In other words (unless both the count goes ahead AND Trump has a significantly larger than expected share of the mail in and urban votes), one side will be accusing the other of being dirty cheaters.

Deciding whether the result is a clean one or not is going to be partisan and depend on what sources of new one listens to. I'm not saying that a clear win won't happen, but that chosing to believe that the win is clear will be biased.

I regret to say I believe you are right.

That said, when the dust settles for good, I plan to do as Patrick Henry said when the Constitution (which he believed insufficient to guarantee liberty) was ratified, regardless of the result:

"It is adopted, let us try it."

(11-04-2020, 04:51 PM)Jinx999 Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is that Trump has repeated said that as he'd clearly win a fair election, then him not winning is evidence of fraud.

He is in the process of sueing to stop the counting of mail in votes in Pennsylvania and he's repeatly claimed that they are vulnerable to fraud. The democrats see this as a transparent attempt to supress their votes and is essentially fraudulent.

In other words (unless both the count goes ahead AND Trump has a significantly larger than expected share of the mail in and urban votes), one side will be accusing the other of being dirty cheaters.

Deciding whether the result is a clean one or not is going to be partisan and depend on what sources of new one listens to.

Trump's demands to stop the counting were a step so far over the line that even the likes of McConnell say that just ain't gonna happen.  When a soulless, conscienceless monster such as McConnell objects to genuine corruption, it must be way-over-the-top corruption....

I have to be honest, my greatest fear is a situation neither side needs, another replay of Hayes vs. Tilden, where there is a deadlock so nasty another civil war is a likely prospect.

If the votes fall for Biden for sure, so be it. For Trump, the same. Last thing I want is some hideous deadlock that requires another replay of 1877.