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| Why is the state involved in marriage at all? |
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Posted by: Logan Darklighter - 08-08-2010, 10:43 AM - Forum: Politics and Other Fun
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Quote:Ed Morrissey writes:
Now that a judge has issued an incoherent ruling that the federal government has a 14th Amendment interest in the definition of marriage after more than 140 years of apparent disinterest, it may be time to reconsider government involvement in marriage entirely. Townhall’s David Harsanyi offers the argument that government involvement may do more harm than good to the institution, and results from a historical mistake in the first place. Time to get on with the divorce, Harsanyi insists:
Quote:In the 1500s, a pestering theologian instituted something called the Marriage Ordinance in Geneva, which made “state registration and church consecration” a dual requirement of matrimony.
We have yet to get over this mistake. But isn’t it about time we freed marriage from the state?
Imagine if government had no interest in the definition of marriage. Individuals could commit to each other, head to the local priest or rabbi or shaman — or no one at all — and enter into contractual agreements, call their blissful union whatever they felt it should be called and go about the business of their lives.
I certainly don’t believe that gay marriage will trigger societal instability or undermine traditional marriage — we already have that covered — but mostly I believe your private relationships are none of my business. And without any government role in the institution, it wouldn’t be the business of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, either.
Be sure to read it all. I’ve written about this repeatedly over the last several years, and while I don’t think that this is an easy path to adopt, it’s going to be the eventual solution. Not only does it take government out of people’s private lives, it also means an end to a divisive and essentially meaningless debate — and it protects houses of faith and ends a potential government interference in matters of religion.
Let’s first dispense with the idea that the government protects the sanctity of marriage. It doesn’t; if government ever did that, that ended with no-fault divorce. Marriage, as run by the government, is the only contract in this country that can be broken by one party alone with no adverse consequences. (Well, that and professional sports contracts, I guess.) Partnership agreements in the business context would disintegrate without at least the threat of government enforcement of its provisions. Marriage as run by government has been disintegrating for decades, as the divorce rate shows, and that has nothing to do with gay relationships.
We would do much better to require people to create partnership contracts in the civil context than get marriage licenses for issues like property sharing, access to family, and so on. If people want to live together and share their lives to that extent, it’s healthier and much less confusing later to have those issues expressly spelled out in an agreement up front, just like any prenuptial agreement today. If two people don’t want to go that far in formalizing their relationship, then they shouldn’t be considered married anyway — and shouldn’t get access to “palimony” and have debates over oral contracts, and so on. If you don’t get it in writing, it doesn’t exist, in the context of personal partnerships.
Then, if people want to get “married,” they can go to the institutions that actuallycare about marriage: churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, and so on. Marriage can be a private, faith-based recognition of a sacramental relationship that exists outside of the civil context entirely, and houses of faith can set their own requirements as to what it means and who can participate — just as they do now. Not only does that protect the sanctity of actual marriage much more than a government, but it also means that government has no way to poke the camel’s nose of intervention into the religious tent, as it were, to force houses of faith to conduct marriages that violate their tenets in the name of fairness. Divorcing marriage from the state and dissolving the partnership between government and religion benefits the latter more than the former.
Let government define and enforce contract law, not marriage. If we don’t follow that path, people will shortly become very unhappy about the eventual government definition.
Morrissey pretty much lays out my position on this whole thing. I'm all for letting gays and lesbians get married. And I also am all for getting government out of everywhere it can be removed. Especially out of people's private lives. Why not take care of both and let everybody do what they want?
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Posted by: ordnance11 - 08-08-2010, 07:27 AM - Forum: General Chatter
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A friend of mine has an Acer laptop with at windows 7 OS. She accidentally hit a link ( so she sez) which downloaded an anti virus program which is now propagating pop ups like a virus. I've tried opening up the restore function while in "safe mode" but it doesn't seem to work. Uing it normally is mission impossible. Short of using the "nuclear option" (re-format and reinstall the OS), any of you folks have any suggestions?
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| Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha: Shipping Lanes |
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Posted by: OpMegs - 08-08-2010, 05:27 AM - Forum: Other People's Fanfiction
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Author's Note: This is mostly just an exercise for me to write up various potential scenarios as they come to mind, and see how well I can actualize them. Future snippets are possible, and requests may be written if I find them suitably entertaining. After all, these aren't too much effort to write. So, without further ado...
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[i]Riiiiing-ring! Ring-ring! Ring-ring!
Stupid noise....bad enough she had trouble getting to sleep with Fate out on assignment, but now some kid on a bike outside....
AWOOOOOOOGAH!
Nanoha sat up straight in bed with a startled "I'm awake!" as she looked at the phone by her bedside which had shifted from "friendly call" to "please pick me up right now". Yet again, she regretted letting Hayate blackmail her into accepting the thing as a housewarming gift. As she picked up, the slightly frantic face of Subaru looked back at her. "Nanoha-saaaaan! Heeeeeelllllllp~!"
"Subaru, what is it?" Nanoha asked, concerned. Her old pupil was hardly the type to panic under pressure, especially with her work in the disaster relief branch. If she was freaking out this badly, something awful had to have happen-
"It's Tsubasa! She won't stop crying and I've tried rocking her and singing to her and cuddling her and I can't do breast-feeding like Tea and I don't know what to do but you raised Vivio and hellllllllppppp!"
Nanoha looked at her for a moment as her brain slowly regrew the gears it had stripped off from her late night lesson planning session and insomnia to properly assess the situation, before she looked at the phone with a dour look and sighed. "Subaru, Teana made the contact list for you ahead of time exactly for this sort of thing."
"Yes, but, it's like 5 in the morning over where Gin-nee is at! I didn't want to wake...her....oh," Subaru said as her brain finally caught up with her mouth and she realized that Ginga wasn't that far ahead of them time wise. "....I thought you'd have more practical hands-on experience?"
"Good night, Subaru," Nanoha said, hanging up before making a flying faceplant into her pillow, grumbling about stupid sexy blondes with careers that give them sexy suits but keep them away far too much from bed warming duties....
***
Alright, Lutecia, you know what you have to do, the young summoner said, bringing both arms up in determination. "Right, let's do this. Don't back down. Just ask the question."
Lutecia had come a long way since the end of the JS Incident. Her mother's recuperation had helped that, allowing her to focus more on her own feelings rather than the single minded drive that had sustained her while working for the Doctor to restore her mother.
Which had led her to re-examine the feelings that had led her to leave the Doctor's employ...and the people that had inspired them. Which in turn had led her to this seemingly innocuous question to the two people that meant the most to her in the entire world.
"Um...Caro...Erio...I've been meaning to ask. Are you two...y'know..." she said, twiddling her fingers. "Together?"
"Together?" Caro said, ignoring Erio choking on his drink from where he'd just swallowed a gulp of tea down the wrong tube. "Well, I suppose, in a way. We've always been pretty close since we met, and it's kind of hard to imagine my life before I met Erio," she said, before Erio caught his breath and looked at Caro over Lutecia's crestfallen expression.
"I don't think that's what Lu meant, Caro," he said, coughing slightly. At the pink haired dragon summoner's confused look, he shrugged. "She meant are we dating."
Caro looked at him for a second. "Oh....oh!" she repeated, before looking back at Lutecia. "No, no, it's nothing like that at all. Erio's like my brother."
"Really?" Lutecia blinked.
"Yes," Caro smiled. "We were both adopted by Fate, and we kind of got used to each other during that whole mess back then, so we got really close, really quick."
Lutecia sighed somewhat in relief, before freezing as Erio spoke up again. "Why exactly did you ask, Lu?"
"Um....well. This is going to make my asking about a potential threesome awkward, isn't it?"
***
Fate reflected, as she listened to her lover go on and on, that Nanoha fretted over the strangest things for someone who'd gone head to head with the reincarnation of a physical god and not even blinked.
"Well, it's not that I'm ashamed or anything....I'm just kind of worried how they'll take it. I mean, this isn't as common on Earth," Nanoha said. "I don't want to come on too strong, but at the same time, I'm not going to just pretend we're really close friends and nothing more and....I'm babbling, aren't I?" she finished lamely.
"Yes," Fate said with a soft smile. "So perhaps we should just go in and talk to them?"
Nanoha blinked, looked at her, blinked again, and then laughed slightly to herself. "You probably have a point," she admitted, sliding her hand into Fate's and entering the restaraunt in front of them.
The place was fairly upscale, as Arisa had insisted on paying for the meal when she heard Nanoha and Fate were going to be back in town, and Nanoha's two oldest friends were easily discernable.
Suzuka had grown into a classic Japanese beauty, dark hair hanging past her shoulders from where it was held up by a single white hairband and falling over her white jacket worn over a dark blue blouse and matching skirt.
Arisa, by contrast, was wearing her hair in a short, barely neck length style compared to her old long hair from when they'd been in school together, a tan peasant blouse over a pair of black shorts providing her with a more tomboyish aspect than her friend.
The typical hugs and expressions of gratitude to be able to see each other were exchanged shortly thereafter, before Nanoha found herself waffling on how exactly to bring the subject up. Eventually, mustering up her courage, she spoke up.
"There's something we need to tell-"
"Nanoha, there's something we'd like to ask-"
Both groups blinked, looking at the other, before Nanoha laughed slightly. "You go first, Arisa. Mine can wait a little," she said, much to Fate's amusement beside her.
Arisa looked at her friend oddly, before shaking her head and smiling. "Well...we were wondering if you and Fate would care to be bridesmaids."
"Bridesmaids?" Nanoha said, not quite processing the term. "One of you's getting married? Who?"
"Both of us are," Suzuka giggled. "To each other."
It was only Fate's iron self control that kept her from breaking out laughing at the look on Nanoha's face.
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"Oh, silver blade, forged in the depths of the beyond. Heed my summons and purge those who stand in my way. Lay
waste."
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| TV Tropes in FENSPACE!!! |
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Posted by: Cobalt Greywalker - 08-07-2010, 09:53 PM - Forum: Fenspace
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I have to dump this out, to try and stop it taking over my BRAIN.
Given that TV Tropes exists in Fenspace, how would the Fen-squared describe the Fen? (Note, I'm talking about the fans of the BNFs and others tropifying them in universe.)
For an incomplete list for A.C. (getting it out of my brain remember, so the below is probably not correct TV Tropes markup):
*ActionGirl/ActionMom - Built a BadassFamily.
**Two actually.
***With bunches of Badass cousins hanging around. Which, given her day job isn’t surprising.
*ArtificialLimbs - Is a total conversion HollywoodCyborg.
*BadassLongcoat - Including BadassLabcoat even! HelloNurse!
*BiTheWay
*BoobsOfSteel/MostCommonSuperpower
*TheCaptain
*EvenTheGirlsWantHer - Senshi, we're looking at you mostly but DAMN...
*Fanservice/FetishFuelStationAttendant - Do we really need to say this? Her biomod [[CursedWithAwesome forces her] to be like this, to [[Stripperiffic ridiculous levels] levels at times, technically making her an InnocentFanserviceGirl.
**Note that she can be fully covered and STILL have people DistractedByTheSexy.
*FemmeFatale/LadyInRed/WomanInBlack - There's enough overlap to be really confused about this.
*GadgeteerGenius/MadScientist
*GenderBender - Is genetically Male, despite her Fanservice looks.
*GuileHero/[[MagnificentBastard Magnificent Bitch] - See Femme Fatale entry above.
*HotChickWithASword/GirlsWithGuns-GunsAkimbo version.
*HospitalHottie/HotAmazon/HotScientist/HotMom
*ImpossiblyCoolWeapon - Her trademark is her [[AbsurdlySharpBlade monomolecular] [[WhipSword ribbon sword].
*LadyOfWar
*MamaBear - Hurt someone she cares for and you're so doomed.
*MasterOfDisguise
*NinjaPirateZombieRobot – Or Hyper-Intelligent Mad Scientist Combat Cyborg Sexy Super Spy
*Ojou - The Senshi believe fervently in this.
*RedBaron - The Scarlet Angel.
*TallDarkAndBishoujo
*WhipItGood - Oh can she ever...
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| Anyone here drive a Kia? |
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Posted by: robkelk - 08-07-2010, 09:41 PM - Forum: General Chatter
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I'm looking to get a new car for the home-to-work-and-back commute, grocery shopping, and the occasional intercity drive, and the 2010 Kia Rio is looking very attractive... (They offer a colour that nobody else's car in the office parking lot uses, for one thing. That's a very handy option in a big parking lot.)
But anything can look good on paper. Anybody here have any real-world experience with a Kia Rio or any other Kia, good or bad?
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"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
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| [RFC][draft] DSKSWDYHMS? - Chapter 5 |
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Posted by: Black Aeronaut - 08-07-2010, 07:32 PM - Forum: Hangar 13
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Here it is! Have at it. You guys know how it is, but for the newcomers: commentary on the story itself is much preferred. I'll hold off on the final sweep for a thorough grammar and spelling fix.
Dear Sweet Kami-sama, Why Do You Hate Me So? - Chapter 5
Before me stood an army of
darkness. They waited, eager to lay
waste to my beautiful world.
They had destroyed many
worlds before. Some were worlds of my
own creation.
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]MY WORLDS.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]WITH MY CHILDREN.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]They would not get another.[/color]
Because behind me stood my
army. They were various and misfit, each
one bringing something a little different to the battle. But, in the amalgam they had been forged
into, they were strong.
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]I had made sure of it.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]We will be victorious, me
and each of my loved ones.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115][/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]My eyes opened and I saw the
familiar ceiling of Rei’s guest room.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]“Don’t move yet, grandson,”
said an old man to my side.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]Rei’s grandfather.[/color]
“You passed out from
exhaustion yesterday. Not just physical
exhaustion, either. You’re a very
resilient child, but even you can push yourself beyond your limits. It’s time you got a bit of rest. If you don’t feel like you’re going to pass
out again, go ahead and sit up and have a look around.”
I tried to move and the
first thing I noticed was that I was heinously sore. I winced and forced my arms to work. They felt like they were made of sand –
shifting wherever they wanted and utterly inert. Oh, and do I dare mention how the muscles
burned? Despite that, I managed to
somehow push myself up far enough to look around.
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]It was then that I noticed
the weight on my stomach.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]Rei was lying over me from
the bedside, her face peaceful and her hair splayed out across her back and
over the bed.[/color]
“She stayed with you through
the night, you know,” said Grandfather from a chair at the bedside. “I’ve never seen her care so much for a man
since Kaidou. Well, seeing as you’re
alright, I’ll go ahead and leave you two alone together. I know you’re still too tired to really try
anything. And if she tries something…” The old Priest smiled and chuckled softly to
himself. “Well, that’s up to her.”
With that, he groaned as he
stood up from the chair then began to shuffle out of the room. Before he shut the door, though, he stuck his
head in once more and said,
“As far as I’m concerned
though, you have my blessings, Grandson.
Make my Rei-chan happy.” And then
the door slid shut.
I let my head thump back
into the pillow. “Well, that was surreal,” I muttered.
I sighed as pulled my hands
free of the covers and pushed the covers down from my chest – it was getting
warm under there. My left hand fell upon
Rei’s hair and I absent-mindedly began to play with it. Before long, I found myself stroking her head
lovingly, pushing stray locks behind her ear.
You see, this is one of my
major problems; I have a nasty tendency to simply fiddle around with something
and not really think about it. You know
how some people seem to have a problem with their brain-to-mouth filters? Well, I got a problem with my
brain-to-extremities filter.
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]And just as I realized what
I was doing, her eyes slowly began to open.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]“Good morning,” I said
softly as I saw lucidity begin to fill her eyes and fear began to fill my
chest.[/color]
She then sat up. The motion wasn’t startled or jerky. She only wore a look of mild confusion as she
put her hand to the side of her head, feeling where my hand had been before.
“I can feel you here,” she
said. “Your energy… it lingers.”
I felt my eyes widen. “I’m so sorry! I really didn’t mean to do that! Honest!”
“No Zeke,” she said, putting
a hand on my chest and firmly shoving me down into the bed. “I don’t care anymore. Just make sure no one else sees anything like
that.” And suddenly she leaned over me,
her eyes shut, and I felt her lips pressing gently against my forehead.
Then she came back upright
with a smile on her face. She then
looked outside and I followed her gaze.
The sun was already rising high up into the sky. “Grandfather probably already told the school
that I’m sick today.” I looked back to
her and Rei faced me once more with a smile on her face. “That means you’re stuck with me today. Get up, Zeke!
The first thing you are going to do is have a good meal. Then you are going to bathe and have a nice
long soak in the furo to help loosen
up those muscles of yours. And that will
be followed by some of my calisthenics to beat the laziness out of your bones.”
I blinked at that. “You practice martial arts?”
Rei scoffed at me. “A miko must exercise her body as well as her
mind and spirit. That’s why you never
see a fat miko.”
“So, I see,” I said with a
grin. “How silly of me to not have
thought of that.”
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115][/color]
Rei was as good as her
word. I had a good meal, had an
hour-long soak in the Furo, and then
she promptly beat the ever-loving crap outta me with her calisthenics regime.
You ever wonder why Japanese
women are usually so skinny? Simple
answer: selective breeding. Women in
Japan were anything but sheltered. They
were expected to be able to fight for themselves if it came down to it. Marvel at the weapon known as the naginata –
a two-meter pole-arm with a wicked thirty-centimeter blade. That’s a hell of a lot of damage waiting to
be dealt, there. I think I’d rather have
the naginata than the katana.
And it was made explicitly
for women to defend themselves. A man
caught using a naginata was either completely out of options or cross-dressing.
A woman that wasn’t fit
enough to wield her naginata was not considered to be worthwhile. After all, she couldn’t even protect
herself. Japan was a dangerous place,
what with Samurai Lords waging war on each other all the time!
Times have changed, but the
genetic precedent that was set for a thousand years hasn’t. The majority of Japanese women are trim
looking creatures of femininity and they do not have to expend much effort to
maintain that fitness as long as they don’t overeat.
Trust me, that is pretty
much a given anyways. I saw how much Rei
was eating and was vaguely disturbed, even after she repeatedly assured me that
she would be fine with her small portion.
Usagi seems to overeat, but
that isn’t true either. The fact of the
matter is that she’s simply stocking up for what will probably be a colossal
growth spurt. I could tell because while
she’s shorter than the other girls, her shoe size is rivaled only by
Makoto’s. Mamorou wouldn’t have to lean
down for too much longer.
Rei, though, is evenly
proportioned. She’s already grown as
tall as she’s going to get, and I doubt she’s going to fill out much more than
she has now. The only way that would
change would be if she got pregnant.
…Do not go there. That is for much, much later, and only if she
wants the job.
But anyhow… I can’t argue
with the results. Rei is drop-dead
gorgeous. Even in a simple work-out ghi
that does as much as possible to hide her physique.
Focus,
Zeke, or else… Too late![color= 10pt; line-height: 115][/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]The wood of an unstrung
long-bow cracked across my head.[/color]
“Idiot!” snapped Rei. “Don’t look at me! Focus on what you’re doing!”
“Yes sempai!” I grunted out and corrected my stance. Calisthenics was not the only thing on the
regimen, it had turned out.
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]Rei studied Aikido.[/color]
Very fitting of Shinto – it
was all about harmony. A harmony
achieved with your opponent that you are in control of. It was a concept that I was very familiar
with.
Rei may have been able to
outmaneuver me the day I used a nikyou
hold against her. She meant every word
when she said that if she ever got out of that hold that she’d make me
suffer. I simply got the drop on her
there. And now, here, under her
Grandfather’s watchful eyes, she would mold me into a proper grappler.
It was really no coincidence
that I had started to learn Aikido myself.
My Grandpa Bear was a close friend of Rei’s Grandfather, and together
the two had studied Aikido. When my
Grandpa returned to America, he brought what he had learned with him and
eventually passed it on to his daughter, who got my Father hooked on it, who in
turn insisted that I learn some of the basics.
At least I had a foundation
to build off of. I just needed some
polish before Rei would really start teaching me other things.
Grandfather chuckled. “You see, Rei-chan? A man really will go to any length to please
his woman. You’ve hooked a good one.”
“Grandfather!” cried out
Rei, scandalized and turning an attractive shade of pink. “Not right now!” The old coot just cackled.
Mental Note: Ask Raven if
the old man’s got some sort of affiliation.
Though I sensed I already knew the answer.
Troublesome. I got a closet-follower of Raven for a
future-Grandfather.
“Heeeehhhh!” came a voice I
knew. Imouto-chan, aka Tsukino Usagi,
was here, and she brought the entire troop.
“Zee-nii-san is so cool!”
“I think that will be enough
for today, Zee-kun,” said Grandfather.
“Good work today, both of you.”
We bowed to Dojo and then to each other.
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]“Zee-kun, I never knew you
studied martial arts,” said Makoto, a gleam in her eye.[/color]
“Zee-kun small,” said
Kubiak, “but tough. Big surprise in
little package.” Kubiak smiled
innocently while we all suffered through an awkward silence with reddened
faces.
“Riiiiight,” I drawled,
breaking the ice. “So what bring you
guys here?”
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]“We have unfinished business,
young man,” said Luna from Usagi’s shoulder.[/color]
“Oh, right. Business with Raven-sama. Well, that would depend on my doctor’s orders
right now. Rei?”
Rei gave me a sidelong look,
then adopted a pious expression. “You
will need to take a bath first because you need to get cleaned up and relax those muscles again, followed
by another meal to restore your energy levels, and then you should be fine
after that.”
“What about you? Don’t you want to bathe first?”
Rei looked at me
sharply. “You’re the one that nearly
killed himself yesterday. I can wait a
few more minutes. Now go! The longer you stay here, the longer I have to wait!”
Whoah! Sir, yes sir!
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]“Right, I’m going then,” I
said as I turned and walked past the Meat Miracle and the other girls.[/color]
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]I then smiled and stifled a
laugh as I heard Rei sharply snap at her friends.[/color][color= 10pt; line-height: 115][/color]
The bath was exactly what I
needed. Muscles that were threatening to
seize under Rei’s carefully applied punishment relaxed and unknotted in the hot
bath water.
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115]It also helped that I placed
myself in a meditative state, finding the tense spots through judicious
attention to myself and getting them to relax.[/color]
I don’t really know how long
I was at it – time-sense goes to hell when you meditate properly. There was a sudden noise that brought me back
without warning and I knew that I was not alone.
“Zeke! I thought you were done already!” cried out
Rei in indignation. “Why didn’t you say
anything when I came in earlier?”
[color= 10pt; line-height: 115%;">Crap.Next came the needle.
Right. Focus, Zeke.[/i]“Yes, Dad.”[/i]
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Posted by: Jinx999 - 08-07-2010, 06:40 PM - Forum: General Chatter
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I always though that Aish Clanclan's behaviour could be best explained by the Ctarl-Ctarl having a pack social structure, like wolves. A Ctarl-Ctarl spends their time, especially when dealing with new people, jockying for position, working out who the Alpha and Omega of a group is. They can then settle down into a working relationship.
1) This explains why Hilda made a point of not swerving to avoid a freaking battleship - that would only mark her as being lower in the pecking order.
2) They are submissive to their leaders, but very quick to turn on a packmate who's lost face.
3) A Ctarl-Ctarl's version of diplomacy verges on bullying by human standards - they're trying to find out who's boss.
4) This doesn't work well on humans - many of whom don't settle into an Omega position and keep challenging authority. In this case, the face contest goes on until the human has for some reason or the other won, in which case the human ends up the Alpha. Which may explain why you quite often find Ctarl-Ctarl working in strip bars and restaurants.
Any thoughts?
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