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| Morality in my fanfic? |
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Posted by: sparkthatbled - 11-13-2010, 04:19 PM - Forum: Other People's Fanfiction
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This is kind of a strange topic to discuss with Riding on Fire, but I thought I wanted to get it out there: how far do I go when trying to turn somebody's morality around without breaking it and turning it into bullshit?
As I wrote before, the heroes of Riding On Fire are part of one of Fred Herriot's stock villains, the Church of Lum. They still believe and worship Lum as a Goddess, they just don't approve of some of the blatantly evil things that Ougi and his priesthood have done to ensure that their Goddess stays under their influence, especially as many of these atrocities (like the cobalt bomb put in Tomobiki in Fred's thread) are kept away from the Niphentaxian public. And of course, they're rebelling, partly because of the disappearance of the Avalonians, but also because of his actions in responding to the incident (enslaving lower class Niphentaxian citizens for the nobility, and use of excessive violence to deal with people who rebel). But this wouldn't really be enough for me, so I decided to flesh them out a little bit more: the protagonists specifically are also part of a group which should exist on Phentax Two, given Fred's occasional mention of the remains of the Church of Hollywood secretly still being active in certain works, not to mention Ganzo dai-Louc but are never thought of: the growing mass of abolitionists, either Lumite or otherwise, who treat their Avalonian slaves as sentient beings and treat them with fairness and kindness, and ship them or any hybrid children they may have with them (as Niphentaxian-Avalonian hybrids are heresy, according to Fred) off planet.
So what about antagonists? I believe that, unless Fred suddenly decides to magic up an excuse, simply overthrowing Ougi and expelling the undesirable elements from the Church of Lum are not going to heal Phentax Two's standing with the universe at large. The protagonists are travelling to the Federation in order to find out two things: who was responsible for the destruction of Phentax Twelve and the fleet, and to see if the Avalonians would forgive them for their broken system. They're also bringing video evidence of the cruelty that Ougi and his Priesthood, as well as the other ruling classes, have visited on the lower class citizens by the damage wrought by the disappearance of the Avalonians, as well as the rising death toll.
I have a couple in mind, myself. The Sagussans probably would be too caught up in finding their Daite'cha again, and would probably think our heroes' too small fry to ignore, apart from Our Lord Ataru occasionally seething over their progress across space, but they fear they can't touch them because of the virtue of their mission. The Federation would openly condemn the protagonist, but secretly support them, sending supplies, ammunition, vehicles and such. The Zephyrites are busy with other things. That leaves my two antagonists: the Yehisrites and the Noukiites.
The Yehisrite antagonists are basically consisting of one person and his private fleet: Sheko, the Mad Prince. Fred basically wrote him to be Ataru's fearsome guard dog in the Federation: he's apparently supposed to be this heroic Boisterous Bruiser who openly flouts conventions and does what he wants to help Ataru, because he knows that nobody can touch him. But he beheads a Niphentaxian ambassador in his first episode, without even giving him the chance to explain, admires Ryofu Hosen massacring several Niphentaxian ships, and basically cows the Federation from doing anything that might interfere with Ataru, the Sagussans, or the VEDF.
So in my minds' eye, Sheko's not just the Mad Prince because he flouts the Yehisrite laws and traditions: I guess I could say he's an intergalactic Complete Monster. He once glassed a Federation colony. He killed a large transport of Vosian soldiers, despite little linkage to the dictatorial Mikado. He took part in the first Colony Four massacre, with only his swords as weapons, and killed not only the Mikado's troopers, but also several bureaucrats and office workers, because he believed they were equally guilty for just being on Colony Four in the first place. He sometimes shoots down random civilian ships for fun. That kind of stuff. Well, maybe not the last one.
But the thing is, not only will he own up to it, he will do it with the point of his sword against your throat, and several of his crack troops training their guns on you, your friends, and your family. So, when our Niphentaxian heroes steal an experimental destroyer-carrier and make off to the Federation to call for support to heal their blasted planet, Sheko is busy gunning his fleet to make sure that them, and any other Niphentaxian who dares leave the planet, are wiped from existence. That's what I'm seeing in Sheko, in regards to Riding on Fire. I'm worried that this might be taking it a mite too far, and breaking suspension of disbelief, but that's what I see in how Fred wrote Sheko, anyway...
The Noukiite antagonists are more simple. They are not outwardly bloodthirsty like Sheko is, or fear-ridden and spineless like the Federation apparently is. The Noukiites are simply far too steeped in their own traditions, and too entrenched in the point of view of their friends, that they cannot see any other points of view. They are an isolationist race whose first contact with other beings was with the Urusians, who took over their home due to them losing the tag game. However, thanks to some bum moves, the Noukiites were mistreated under Urusian rule, and promptly rebelled. The Noukiites now absolutely hate the Urusians, and the Federation, due to this one bad time in their history.
Thus, in the Noukiites state of mind, the Urusians are basically evil, and everyone associated with them are evil by proxy. This includes the races of the Federation, which is a bit of a projection, and the Niphentaxians, which is less so. The past history with Uru and their invasion has poisoned Noukiite relations with the Federation that it is not so ridiculous to suggest that, with the right amount of charisma, a person could convince a Noukiite to do practically anything that they wish them to do, if they are aligned against the Urusians, or if they know the Urusians hate them. Add to that the fact that the Noukiites have the absurdly powerful Dragons on their side, and you have a right royal pain in the ass for the Federation.
And when they discover that our Niphentaxian heroes are out in space on their quest for penitence and redemption, they seek to stop it due to their own short-sighted beliefs, and placing their trust in Ataru, who dearly wishes to see them dead.
That's what I've got right now. Like I said, I'm wondering if I should tone all this down in order to keep people from breaking suspension of disbelief, when this is coming after what Fred has written for his thread...
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| I'd Rather be Burned as a Witch |
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Posted by: Proginoskes - 11-12-2010, 10:34 PM - Forum: The Game Everyone Loves To Play
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"I'd Rather be Burned as a Witch (Than Never be Burned At All)", sung by Ertha Kitt.
Quote:They say that I'm a witch
and that I weave a spell
[laughing] Well...
I'll use my eyes to invite you
My lips to delight you
And all the charms of the feminine wiles to excite you
They say that I'm a witch
and that I weave a spell
Well I'll be a son of a --
And a what the --
Well, let me tell you brother
I'd rather be burned as a witch
Than never be burned at all
I'll use my songs to entice you
With verses to vice you
And all of my bags of tricks to shoes and rice you
They say that I'm a witch
and that I weave a spell
Well I'll be a son of a --
And a what the --
Well, let me tell you brother
I'd rather be burned as a witch
Than never be burned at all
Do you want a gal who would be a pal,
who would never look at another?
Who'd be good and true and take care of you?
Sorry, you want another!
I'll use my charms to undo you
My arms to unglue you
And all of the hex of the weaker sex to voodoo you
They say that I'm a witch
and that I weave a spell
Well I'll be a son of a --
And a what the --
Well, let me tell you brother
I'd rather be burned as a witch
Than never be burned at all
Do you want a love who's a turtle dove,
who will bring you life's little joys?
Who is sweet and shy, with a gentle eye?
I'll take the men not the boys!
I'll use my eyes to invite you
My lips to delight you
And you never can tell when I'll use my teeth to bite you
They say that I'm a witch
and that I weave a spell
Well I'll be a son of a --
And a what the --
Well, let me tell you brother
I'd rather be burned as a witch
Than never be burned at all
My best guess for power: inflicts minor burns (on the scale of sunburn or grabbing a pot barehanded) on all women in AoE, and awakens any latent magegifts they may have.
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| [Fluff] Shaggy Dogs |
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Posted by: robkelk - 11-12-2010, 09:22 PM - Forum: Fenspace
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Every so often, I think of something really silly. Here's a thread for such thoughts that relate to Fenspace. Feel free to add to it...
"Hey, is that a new car?"
"Sort of. We drove to Starbase 2 last week, and ran into a space rock on the way back. Literally. Three of the Korean cars ended up too wrecked to fly, and the other one had a lot of damage."
"You're lucky to even be alive, man."
"Yeah, we know. But we were pretty close to Hades Station, so the Professor and Indiana salvaged what they could and made one working car out of the parts we flew in on."
"Hades Station? So that's..."
"Yep. It's the Hyundai from Yoggoth."
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
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| New "TRON Legacy" trailer |
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Posted by: Bob Schroeck - 11-12-2010, 06:09 PM - Forum: General Chatter
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Just released a couple days ago. Gives a better idea of what's going on. Oh, and be prepared to freezeframe on the first scene for a whole lot of TRON references and injokes.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
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| Minecraft |
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Posted by: Wiregeek - 11-12-2010, 03:04 AM - Forum: General Chatter
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Oh yes, very much so.
I love this game.
I've been describing it as..
"you wake up and all you have is jeans, a t-shirt, and some empty inventory slots.. so what do you do? PUNCH TREES. Punch trees apart to get logs which you can craft into planks which you can craft into sticks and into a crafting bench and you can use the sticks, planks, and a crafting bench to make a WOOD PICK and then you start mining or a WOOD SHOVEL and then you can dig dirt, but you'd best hurry, 'cause it's getting dark out.. and the monsters are coming!"
I'll snap some shots and run Cartographer against my Minecraft server tonight, I am so digging this game!
The last update fixed minecarts in multiplayer, and the 'boost glitch' is still live, so we made a power-boosted commuter rail system that runs from the spawn point to my Elven Tree Village, and to the Fallout Shelter. One of my roomates is busily constructing a wall around his island - its covered in lava, fire, and desolation, he wants to protect it so noone 'ruins it with those wussy trees or flowers'.
SO FUN.
"No can brain today. Want cheezeburger."
From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5579457/1/NGE_Nobody_Dies
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| Idol Speculation |
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Posted by: Rev Dark - 11-12-2010, 03:00 AM - Forum: General Chatter
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This was only a matter of time; and I have mixed feelings about it, but the cool is just too great to ignore.
http://www.huffingtonpost...holograph-_n_782442.html
It will be interesting to see where this goes as a tool for both artificial pop-stars and real ones. Imagine what this tech could do for spectacle in a concert.
Lady Ga-Ga performing flanked by two Lady Ga-Ga-vatars? Laser Floyd...
As the tech gets better and people start truly playing with it as art, imagine the stage shows and choreography that you could do with it.
Shayne
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| Computer Purchase Advice |
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Posted by: Shepherd - 11-11-2010, 06:41 AM - Forum: General Chatter
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I am currently preparing to buy a new (but cheap) computer sometime by early January and am looking for some advice. My current system is an emachines T1115 that has been upgraded from 128 MB of RAM to 512 MB (the max that it can handle) and a high speed internet connection through a box provided by my cable service (the original 56k modem was removed because it was interfering with the new hardware, which my Device Manager calls a Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC). The most intensive thing I use it for is to surf the internet using multiple open Internet Explorer windows, and I'm having problems with slow page loading and choppy youtube videos.
My new computer must be a tower set up for someone who is only marginally tech savvy, it must be compatible with my internet connection and it has to allow me easy internet surfing. Since I was a big fan of the original Starcraft game and plan to eventually get the sequel, it should also meet or surpass the recommended settings for Starcraft II and should probably have available expansion slots for additional RAM (the only upgrade that I feel confident performing myself). I don't need a monitor as I have a perfectly good Flatron L1942T.
I hope to spend under $500 if possible, as I'm mostly living off of my savings and am using all of the x-mas money I expect to get to help fund the purchase. Any suggestions on a model or on where or when to purchase the computer?
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"Anyone can be a winner if their definition of victory is flexible enough." - The DM of the Rings XXXV
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| Pyramid and IST |
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Posted by: robkelk - 11-09-2010, 03:46 PM - Forum: IST/Supers
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There's some talk going on over on the SJGames forums about what themes folks would like to see in upcoming Pyramid issues. (The current incarnation of the magazine is "theme" based - all the articles in a given issue relate to the same concept.) One of the themes that keeps popping up is "Supers/IST" - which, if accepted, seems to me to be an excellent place to run an extended IST Timeline, assuming Bob's got one ready to go...
Just a thought.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
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