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  I remember when you had to believe in God to be ordained as a minister
Posted by: robkelk - 11-09-2018, 10:04 PM - Forum: General Chatter - Replies (7)

But that isn't the case any more.

Canadian Press: Atheist United Church minister to keep her job at Toronto congregation

That's a self-described atheist, not somebody else calling her that.

I can understand a psychologist or a counselor or an outreach worker or a social worker being atheist; it makes no difference in those jobs. But how can somebody whose job includes preaching the existence of God say there's no God?

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  For your listening enjoyment
Posted by: robkelk - 11-09-2018, 09:48 PM - Forum: General Chatter - No Replies

Starting Sunday, the performances of the Dominion Carillonneur will be livestreamed. (At least, in Canada.)

Get the program and the link here. EDIT: Oops; that's the permalink for Sunday. Get the daily program and link at this link.

(What? "Who's the Dominion Carillonneur?" She's the one who plays the bells in the Peace Tower on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, at noon Eastern every weekday September to June and at 11 a.m. July and August. Sunday's a special occasion - 11/11, and this year the 100th anniversary of the end of WWI.)

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Information How to spot a pattern of denials
Posted by: robkelk - 11-09-2018, 09:30 PM - Forum: Politics and Other Fun - Replies (1)

In this particular case, How to spot a pattern of denials in the #MeToo movement, but it applies elsewhere, too.

It's a simple pattern with the acronym DARVO:

  1. Deny
  2. Accuse
  3. Reverse Victim Order

First, deny it ever happened. Second, accuse the accuser of making up the accusation. Third, reverse the victim order and claim you're the one being victimized.

We'll use the example in the article to show how it works: the accusation made by Ford against Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearings. Kavanaugh is a judge; if he had said something along the lines of looking forward to facing his accuser in a court of law where they would both be under oath, everybody would have assumed that he had nothing to hide. But he didn't do that; he did a DARVO.

Deny:
Brett Kavanaugh Wrote:The drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school and was 18 in D.C. for all of my time in high school. I drank beer with my friends. Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out and I never sexually assaulted anyone.
(It's difficult to prove a negative, so we're at "he said, she said" territory here.)

Accuse:
Brett Kavanaugh Wrote:Dr. Ford's allegation is not merely uncorroborated, it is refuted by the very people she says were there, including by a longtime friend of hers. Refuted.
(Note that at no time did Kavanaugh ever provide evidence of this claim. What makes one person's statement more or less believable than another person's statement? He's saying here that the statements that support him were true and the statements that don't weren't, with no evidence whatsoever regarding any of the statements.)

Reverse Victim Order:
Brett Kavanaugh Wrote:This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups.
(Note that at no time did Kavanaugh ever provide evidence of this claim... but he's doing a lot of saying poor-little-him-is-the-victim.)

I'm sure you can recall at least a half-dozen other examples of the DARVO tactic having been used in the last six years.

Why do it? Quoting from the article:

Quote:University of Oregon psychology professor and Stanford fellow Jennifer Freyd, said that the reason it gets used frequently is that it works.

"I did not expect ... that so many people actually found the DARVO convincing. But it makes sense. I mean that's why people use it," said Freyd.

So, pay attention the next time somebody makes a lot of noise about not having done something he's been accused of doing.

See whether that person then goes on to make a counter-claim, then goes on again to say he's been victimized.

It's a deflection tactic - and now you know what to look for.

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  Are the spammers getting tired or something?
Posted by: Bob Schroeck - 11-09-2018, 12:39 PM - Forum: Forums - Replies (64)

We only have 15 "guests" trying to force their way into the boards today.

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  The President* can’t take the heat
Posted by: SilverFang01 - 11-08-2018, 06:12 AM - Forum: Politics and Other Fun - No Replies

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

White House suspends credentials for CNN's Jim Acosta

Here is the video slowed down: https://twitter.com/sarahburris/status/1...51937?s=21

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/lie-wat...our-times/

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  Home Construction, Was: [U.S.] Protest Thursday - Nobody is Above the Law
Posted by: Labster - 11-07-2018, 07:04 PM - Forum: Politics and Other Fun - Replies (26)

Hi fellow snowflakes,

I just want to let you know that we are having our nationwide protest to defend Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and protest the firing of Attorney General Jeff Sessions.  Because in 2018, protesting the removal of a guy who never met a Jim Crow law he didn't like is something liberals do now.  This is because of the appointment of Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker, who has already written that investigating any of the President's finances is out of bounds.

So anyway, show up at 5PM tomorrow: Find an event near you.

Been working on this protest for over a year now, and it's finally go time.  Unfortunately. I would have preferred not to have it.

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  Mysterious interstellar comet may be an alien probe: Harvard scientists
Posted by: robkelk - 11-06-2018, 09:12 PM - Forum: General Chatter - Replies (6)

Chair of astronomy Abraham Loeb and postdoctoral fellow Shmuel Bialy the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics suggest 'Oumuamua might be artificial.

Pop-culture report

The paper has been submitted to The Astrophysical Journal Letters, but I don't see it on the website yet.

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  [International] How right-wing populism is returning to its fascist roots
Posted by: robkelk - 11-06-2018, 02:39 PM - Forum: Politics and Other Fun - Replies (10)

CBC: How right-wing populism is returning to its fascist roots

This article is an in-depth discussion, not a simple declaration that it's happening. A few representative quotes:

Quote:Bolsonaro, who won Brazil's presidential election on Oct. 28, has made virulently racist, misogynist and homophobic statements. He has threatened to have political opponents jailed, exiled or killed, and staunchly defended the military junta that ruled Brazil before its transition to democracy in 1985.

On Nov. 2, President Trump's national security advisor John Bolton praised Bolsonaro as "like-minded" and said his election was a "positive sign" for Latin America.

(Important note: Bolton, not Trump himself.)

Quote:While the labels fascist and populist are sometimes used interchangeably, Finchelstein explained they have distinct meanings.

A key difference is that while populist leaders often curtail democracy, they do not try to abandon it. While they often use violent rhetoric, especially towards those who disagree with them, that violent speech does not lead to the arrest or murder of political opponents.

Quote:While Finchelstein believes Donald Trump cannot accurately be described as a fascist today, he argued he bears a moral responsibility for both the string of pipe bombs sent to leading Democrats, and the mass shooting at a Pittsburgh synagogue.

It's no surprise to him that anti-Semitism has resurfaced in modern far-right populist and fascist movements.

"Anti-Semitism was key to every fascist movement that existed," he said.

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  US Midterms
Posted by: Epsilon - 11-06-2018, 08:52 AM - Forum: Politics and Other Fun - Replies (15)

If you are in the US, vote. Today.

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  A song to summon the flame of hope: Lifelight
Posted by: Jorlem - 11-04-2018, 10:44 PM - Forum: The Game Everyone Loves To Play - No Replies



Lyrics:


Official lyric source (Click the slightly twinkling star to the upper right of the word Lifelight to see the lyrics.)

My thought for a power for this is that this song would summon the flame of hope, which would gradually brighten and grow larger over the course of the song.  In addition to inspiring hope in all who see it, there is no darkness that the light from this flame cannot pierce through, from deepest night to the darkest depths of despair, to the void beyond the ends of the universe. The light from the flame of hope is something that all can see, even those that cannot see at all.

Of course, as this is summoning the flame of hope, I'd imagine that doing so might run the risk of attracting the attention of beings that care about that sort of thing, which could be good or bad.

Edit:
For those unaware, this song is from this trailer for Super Smash Brothers Ultimate:

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